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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: myceliups] * 2
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myceliups said:
Dude is Moricz still around? I sent him his Ovoid print that he ended up growing in his basement or cellar. Awesome woodlovers from him


I sent him my Azzy myc a long time ago. He was never able to get them to fruit. Then he disappeared.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Adas] * 1
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Is it normal for woodlovers on agar to grow much, much more slowly than your average cubes? I am new to Agar as a whole, but especially to wood-loving species of it: The cubes grow quickly enough, and the Ochra grows even faster, but the wood lovers are super slow.. is that normal?

The agar recipes I use is 10g agar to 500ml with 6.5g LME.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: cybesa]
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its not abnormal


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: cybesa] * 2
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Bit slower, yes. IME the IWL and ovoideocistidiata are about as fast as cubes, cyanescens, azurescens and subaeruginosa are pretty slow. Speed and looks are optimal on lower nute agar.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Adas] * 1
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Adas said:
myceliups said:
Dude is Moricz still around? I sent him his Ovoid print that he ended up growing in his basement or cellar. Awesome woodlovers from him


I sent him my Azzy myc a long time ago. He was never able to get them to fruit. Then he disappeared.


😲 what did those azurs do nooooo!


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Churpee Choozle] * 1
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Churpee Choozle said:
Bit slower, yes. IME the IWL and ovoideocistidiata are about as fast as cubes, cyanescens, azurescens and subaeruginosa are pretty slow. Speed and looks are optimal on lower nute agar.


In all my experiences ovoids have always for the most part tore through everything. The ovoids I have on agar now consumed the plate in a week. And I agree most woodlovers I've grown on agar are usually a little slower other than gymnopilus luteofolius which devoured my plates quick as hell. Maybe it was just those genetics. I. Not sure of others gym experiences on agar.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: myceliups]
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Makes sense! Cheers, everyone! :smile: That makes me feel a whole lot better. I was scared my cultures were too weak or something!


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Edited by cybesa (02/12/25 08:50 AM)

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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: myceliups] * 1
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:takingnotes:

My ovoids were not that fast, but I was surprised by their speed, yeah.
Have luteofolius on agar atm, it would be fantastic if it were a fast one.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Churpee Choozle] * 6
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This is the fastest IWL culture that came out of my agar work. It runs circles around the cyan clade in terms of colonization speed. Three days post spawning




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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Churpee Choozle]
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What section is IWL under? Subaeruginescens?


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Edited by catnip40 (02/13/25 03:46 AM)

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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: catnip40] * 1
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Well it's either thaiaeruginomaculans, wayanadensis, or something related. These are sequenced as close to ovoideocystidiata, so that would make them cubensae, I guess? It's not cyan clade anyway.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Churpee Choozle] * 2
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ya cubensae=caerulescentes but i thought i had read somewhere list them all (ovoids,niveos,iwl ect) as subaeruginescens complex or something. i dont know if they used section group complex or what the category was. unless they were classifying it under another category under cubensae

or i could just totally be remembering wrong lol.. i know the niveo paper places those closely related ones under caeurulescentes but that is a syn of cubensae or vice versa


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: catnip40] * 1
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Yeah that's what I thought, niveo, thaiaerugino and wayana closely related and branching off the same shoot that forms cubensis.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: Churpee Choozle] * 1
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:takingnotes:


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: catnip40]
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Caerulescentes is like another category that falls under Cubensae section from my understanding

Edited by PhenoDreamers (02/14/25 08:28 AM)

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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: PhenoDreamers]
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idk the taxonomic shit gets real confusing pretty fast lol and i imagine its changed recently as well with all the new psilocybe being described/published ect


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: catnip40] * 7
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Yeah it's gets super confusing 😂 scapo is really good with it if he chimes in!

Ive been working on my own list that I've compiled through research papers, phylogenetic trees, inaturalist, etc.

Section Atrobrunneae?

Section Aztecorum
caeruleorhiza
serbica var bohemica
serbica var arcana
serbica var moravica
aztecorum (quebecensis)
caerulipes?

Section Cordisporae
banderillensis
portoricensis
subyungensis
guilaretensis
heimii
pleurocystidiosa
singeri
stametsii
yungensis
fagicola
xalapensis
neoxalapensis
hoogshagenii*
cordisporae

Section Cubensae
cubensis
ovoideocystidiata?
niveotropicalis
chuxiongensis
natalensis
ochraceocentrata
aquamarina
chuxiongensis
indica
maluti
pseudoaztecorum
wayanadensis
thaiaerugineomaculans
thaiduplicatocystidiata
subcubensis

Section Cyanescens
subaeruginosa
cyanescens
makarorae
azurescens
weraroa
allenii

Section Mexicanae
hoogshagenii*
subhoogshagenii
mexicana
tampanensis
samuiensis
caerulescens

Section Semilanceatae
alutacea
semilanceata
liniformans
subfimitaria
cyanofibrillosa
fimetaria (hispanica)
pelliculosa
angulospora?
medullosa
silvatica
fuscofulva (atrobrunnea)
caerulipes?

Section Stuntzae
stuntzii
caeruleoannulata
meridionalis
mescaleroensis?
ovoideocystidiata?
rostrata
subaeruginascens
subaeruginascens var. septentrionalis
uruguayensis

Section Zapotecorum
angustipleurocystidiata
muliercula
subtropicalis
zapotecorum
thaizapoteca
zapotecoantillarum
zapotecocaribaea
ingeli
aucklandiae
angulospora?
papuana
hoogshagenii*
ingeli
subcaerulipes
keralensis
argentipes
taiwanensis
collybioides
graveolens
kumaenorum
pintonii
moseri
antioquiensis

"Section Hopii Group"
gandalfiana nom. prov.
mescaleroensis
hopii

It's hard because I'll see in one paper it'll state that one species in one section, and then in another paper it's in another section.

Edited by PhenoDreamers (02/14/25 08:53 AM)

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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: PhenoDreamers] * 1
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here is the thing about cubensae=caerulescentes

guzman out there being a renegade not following rules :lol:



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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: catnip40] * 1
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Yeah and don't forget the sequencing data. I memorized lots of plant genera as a kid, but everything is changing rather fast.
It's always artificial. Trichocereus 'hairy giant cacti' were renamed Echinopsis 'little bald cacti'. I have yet to meet a petite Tricho. Just like with the '70s books on ecology: it feels like they make it up as they go. Ah, an oak with some heath underneath and some hippie burying some myc? The Querco-erica-entheogenorum implantatum! Of course.


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Re: The Official Woodlovers Thread [Re: catnip40] * 2
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Hahah he certainly made the biggest impact on it all. Shit before his input, deconica and psilocybe were the same 😂 I've been trying to convince scapo to make an official texon discussion thread 😂 someone needs to do it and I'm not that skilled in it at the moment. He's usually my go to guy. Ask him one question and he gives me 10 minutes of feedback 🤣

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