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Wide Angle: Suicide Bombers
    #2853729 - 07/03/04 12:43 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Wide Angle: Suicide Bombers

I saw this the other night (July 1, 2004) and video taped it. Most of the show was interviews with suicide bombers who were caught and put in prison. They spoke in a foreign language (Arabic?), used a translator and gave reasons like: their life sucked and they wanted to commit suicide to go to heaven and have 70 virgins, Israel was occupying their country and it was their duty as a Muslim to fight the occupiers, etc. Most of the suicide bombers changed their minds and were usually caught in Israel with bomb materials. One of the suicide bombers claimed to have pressed the button, but the bomb didn't go off.

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/wideangle/shows/suicide/


This is an interesting interview here:

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/wideangle/shows/suicide/transcript.html


A related story:

http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/asiapcf/southeast/08/17/martyr.culture/index.html


As you can see many Muslims want to commit suicide, because Islam has ruined life in their countries. The only way to do this is to kill non-believers. All liberals who are against the war on terrorism are Islamic terrorists. Anyone opposed to the war in Iraq is a Nazi.


Edited by Ed1 (07/03/04 12:45 PM)


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Re: Wide Angle: Suicide Bombers [Re: Ed1]
    #2853829 - 07/03/04 01:33 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Very true, Fundamental Islam clerics use the Koran to persuade people to suicide attacks. All the kids in these countries are being brainwashed right now, right at this momement. We have to get these kids away from their parents and the clerics, otherwise we will have to kill them too in a few years.


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Re: Wide Angle: Suicide Bombers [Re: downforpot]
    #2853859 - 07/03/04 01:48 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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We have to get these kids away from their parents




Say what? lol


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Re: Wide Angle: Suicide Bombers [Re: Lightningfractal]
    #2853887 - 07/03/04 02:04 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)



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Re: Wide Angle: Suicide Bombers [Re: Ed1]
    #2854182 - 07/03/04 04:22 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

As you can see many Muslims want to commit suicide, because Islam has ruined life in their countries. The only way to do this is to kill non-believers. All liberals who are against the war on terrorism are Islamic terrorists. Anyone opposed to the war in Iraq is a Nazi.

what kind of stupidity is that?

I watched that documentary and didn't quite
see it as perversely as you apparently did.

how has islam ruined life in their countries?

is it islam or is it these fundamentalist clerics working
within the realm of a highly monastic government?

how does killing non-believers make Muslim's life
and/or the *deteriorating* quality of life any better?

the rest of your nonsensical, partison idiocy isn't
even worth justifying with a response.

pull your head out of your pastor's ass, and tell your
pastor to pull his head out of Rush's ass.


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Re: Wide Angle: Suicide Bombers [Re: afoaf]
    #2854198 - 07/03/04 04:32 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Very true afoaf, the clerics and even the parents are the ones that need to be targeted. The parents are probably forced to teach their kids all the suicide bullshit. If the world let's the fundamentalists do whatever, then the kids in those countries will follow in their footsteps.

All religions have an evil side, it all depends on the people who follow the religion. The Tora, Bible, and the Koran can all be used to justify murder and anything else a person wants to justify. The problem is that people use these texts for their own advatange.

Ed1: I have been looking for a Islam message board for a long time, thanx for the link!


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Re: Wide Angle: Suicide Bombers [Re: Ed1]
    #2854729 - 07/03/04 08:51 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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how has islam ruined life in their countries?





Excellent question. See what these ex-Muslims and others are saying about it. I'm not a Christian fanatic. I never was.

http://forum.faithfreedom.org/index.php

http://www.faithfreedom.org

http://www.apostatesofislam.com/main.htm

http://www.apostatesofislam.com/forum/


Edited by Ed1 (07/03/04 08:56 PM)


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Re: Wide Angle: Suicide Bombers [Re: Ed1]
    #2854790 - 07/03/04 09:36 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)



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Re: Wide Angle: Suicide Bombers [Re: Ed1]
    #2854804 - 07/03/04 09:51 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

ESCAPING ARAB FAILURE

By RALPH PETERS


April 23, 2004 -- WE shouldn't be discouraged by the recent round of violence in Iraq. It was predictable. But there were two disheartening signs:
* We should be troubled that, in this bloody month, none of the insurgents waved an alternative constitution - unless we count their perversion of the Koran. None of those violent men is fighting for freedom - they're fighting to strangle liberty in the cradle. They are, without exception, forces of reaction, not liberation, no matter how madly al-Jazeera twists the facts.

* Nor did the general Arab population or its leaders take a public stand against those who would renew their oppression. And those who will not defend their own freedom do not deserve to be defended by others.

Operation Iraqi Freedom has been, among other things, an attempt to give Arabs hope for a better future. The ultimate outcome won't be known for years, but we must prepare ourselves for the possibility that the Arabs are going to fail themselves again.

With sufficient troops, we can force Iraq's Arabs to behave. But we can't force them to succeed.

Ultimately, Iraq is not a test of the limits of American power. When necessary, we can do whatever must be done for our security and prosperity. Our use of force, in Iraq and elsewhere, has been remarkably - even foolishly - restrained.

If Iraq collapses into medieval fantasies and blood feuds, we still may be proud of having given this crippled civilization a last, great chance to heal itself. We've made mistakes, but their impact is minor compared to the unwillingness of Iraq's Arabs, Sunni or Shi'a, to build a free and civil society of their own.


In the United States, campus-generated political correctness was never more than a joke - capable of turning somber conservatives purple but unable to alter anything that matters. The far more dangerous form of political correctness is that which prevails in the dream-world of diplomacy: We pretend that all civilizations have equal merit.

But they don't. It's time to face up to the functional and moral collapse of the Arab world - if we can't describe the problem honestly, we shall never deal with it effectively.

Arab civilization has failed.

Disguised in part by the trappings of oil wealth, the Middle East has become humanity's sinkhole, less promising, if richer, than Africa. But no facade of garish hotels in the hollow states that line the Persian Gulf, and no amount of full-page advertisements funded by the Saudi government, can hide the truth any longer: The Arab Middle East has become the world's first entirely parasitical culture; all it does is to imitate poorly, consume voraciously, spit hatred, export death and create nothing.

Arab civilization offers its people no promising future, only rhetoric about a past whose achievements have been as exaggerated as they were impermanent. The present is a bloody, heartless muddle.

For all the oil wealth and expatriate university degrees, for all the hired-in expertise and Western "engagement," Arab civilization has degenerated to a point where it provides the rest of humanity nothing useful of its own design - while offering its own citizens only a culture of blame, corruption and lethargy.

It's a matter of culture, not race. In the free atmosphere of America, Arabs do as well as anyone else. All populations have their share of talent - but the oppressive environment of the Middle East enervates those individuals it does not crush entirely.

Iraq has been given a chance to break free of the thrall of a bankrupt culture, to establish a rule-of-law democratic government observant of human rights. But the chances are increasingly good that Iraq's Arabs will fail to achieve and maintain even minimal standards of good governance.

The time has not yet come, but, contrary to the sort of diplomatic wisdom that so long protected Saddam, we can walk away if Iraq's Arabs refuse to help themselves. And we can break up the country to protect the Kurds - a far better solution than turning Iraq over to the venal brokers of the United Nations.

The failure of Arab civilization in our time is the greatest such disaster in mankind's history. And, bitter though we find the proposition, the failure is so colossal that it cannot be neatly contained. Whether in Iraq today or elsewhere tomorrow, we cannot fully extract ourselves from this problem simply because our enemies won't let go.

If Iraq chooses failure, we can leave. But we'll be back, somewhere in the Middle East. Because, as we saw on 9/11, the Middle East will continue to come to us. Blame is the opium of the Arabs, and the sweetest blame for their failures is that directed at the United States (and, of course, Israel). It is our power itself, not its uses, that enrages Arabs trapped in their self-made weakness.

The oft-cited examples of the Arab world's problems, from a lack of interest in secular education and a poor work ethic to staggering corruption and the oppression of women, are symptoms, not root causes, of Arab failure. Past a certain analytical point, we come up against the wall of our own taboos - we cannot admit that the psychological premises of an entire civilization might be dysfunctional. Arab failure isn't about that which has been done to the Middle East, but that which the Middle East has done to itself.

Iraq still has a chance, if a slimmer one than we had hoped. But even if Iraq's Arabs disappoint our ambitions, our efforts will have been worthy and our losses not in vain. Intervention was unavoidable, whatever the critics say. Continued passivity in the face of the Middle East's implosion would only have made the price higher in the end.

We all would be better off were the Arabs to surprise us by building healthy, prosperous, modern societies. We would be foolish not to wish them well. But we would be equally foolish not to prepare ourselves for the consequences of their accelerating failure.

Ralph Peters is the author of "Beyond Baghdad: Postmodern War and Peace."


http://www.nypost.com/seven/04232004/postopinion/opedcolumnists/19362.htm


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Re: Wide Angle: Suicide Bombers [Re: Ed1]
    #2855614 - 07/04/04 06:58 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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As you can see many Muslims want to commit suicide, because Islam has ruined life in their countries.




On my god! You are priceless. You state your self that the reason these people give for their actions is the Israeli occupation and you then choose to completely ignore that fact so you can blame it all on your pet hate of Islam.

You are incapable of objective thought.


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Re: Wide Angle: Suicide Bombers [Re: GazzBut]
    #2856570 - 07/04/04 04:47 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Actually the middle-east is a fucking warzone, if they weren't fighting Israelis, they would be slaughtering themselves because that area is a fucking crossroads for the world. There will always be chaos in that area unless someone does something to organize the countries.


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Re: Wide Angle: Suicide Bombers [Re: GazzBut]
    #2864358 - 07/07/04 11:51 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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GazzBut said:
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As you can see many Muslims want to commit suicide, because Islam has ruined life in their countries.




On my god! You are priceless. You state your self that the reason these people give for their actions is the Israeli occupation and you then choose to completely ignore that fact so you can blame it all on your pet hate of Islam.

You are incapable of objective thought.






You claim to live in London. I guess you missed this bit of news:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/2829059.stm


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Re: Wide Angle: Suicide Bombers [Re: Ed1]
    #2867290 - 07/08/04 01:34 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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I'm not a Christian fanatic. I never was.




Nobody said you were, but since you mentioned it... You do seem a little bent on this bigotry against Muslims.  :thumbdown:


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Re: Wide Angle: Suicide Bombers [Re: Zahid]
    #2867378 - 07/08/04 02:11 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Since no one ever sees the positive side of Islam, I wouldn't blame him.


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Re: Wide Angle: Suicide Bombers [Re: downforpot]
    #2867402 - 07/08/04 02:24 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Sufism? Algebra? Calligraphic Design? Indian Dhikr Music (Hazrat Khan!)?

Read a book and learn something. Man - Islam has a major influence on this planet, counterpart to the influence of Judeo-Christianity. It wouldn't kill some people to actually go to the source of Islam (the Holy Qur'an and Sunnah of Prophet Muhammad) and learn about the religion that has constantly been in the media for the past 3 years. 3 years and there's still people like Ed1 at fairly informed places like the Shroomery.


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Re: Wide Angle: Suicide Bombers [Re: Zahid]
    #2867454 - 07/08/04 02:50 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

I know that algebra and some other things were created by arabs/muslims but you have to realize that a lot of people either don't know the facts or don't care. I don't see the media talking about what Arabs/Muslims accomplished, which probably causes many people to think bad of Islam.


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Re: Wide Angle: Suicide Bombers [Re: Zahid]
    #2867916 - 07/08/04 08:37 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

I know there are good things about the muslim religion but you have to admit it, their PR hasn't been stellar as of late. Just like Christianity, there are good and bad people and actions. Radicals make both religions look like idiots. When I refer to muslims (in the general sense) i'm referring to those radicals that use the Qur'an as their excuse for crimes, just as some Christians use the Bible as an excuse to blow up abortion clinics, though on a lesser scale.

I would love to see something on the History Channel (or other media) about the positive contributions to society Muslims have made, but also the realistic reasons to the plight they have today.


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Re: Wide Angle: Suicide Bombers [Re: Zahid]
    #2867920 - 07/08/04 08:42 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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Since no one ever sees the positive side of Islam, I wouldn't blame him.




Good point.

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Sufism? Algebra? Calligraphic Design? Indian Dhikr Music (Hazrat Khan!)?




How may news reports contain the latest developments in Calligraphic design....

Car bombs, beheadings and distorted audio tapes all the way *wooo*

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Re: Wide Angle: Suicide Bombers [Re: Ed1]
    #2869417 - 07/08/04 06:17 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

There are a lot of moderate Muslims. Some are trying to modernize and/or reform Islam. There's lots of interpretations. Shiites and Sunnis call themselves Muslims and fight over their interpretations. Moderate Muslims often have conflicts with the Militant Fundamentalists. There were 2 or 3 assassination attempts on president Musharraf of Pakistan recently. Various Islamic groups want to overthrow the Saudi royal family. Anwar Sadat was assassinated in Egypt, etc., etc.


Here's something interesting:

http://haganah.org.il/harchives/002289.html

http://haganah.org.il/haganah/index.html


Edited by Ed1 (07/08/04 06:21 PM)


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Re: Wide Angle: Suicide Bombers [Re: Ed1]
    #2869441 - 07/08/04 06:24 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

I cannot for the life of me see the value in any religion, I consider them all endemic psychoses ("my imaginary friend is better than yours, nyah, nyah"). A Muslim or group of Muslims may have invented algebra, but it wasn't because they were Muslims, it was in spite of the fact that they spent so much of their intellectual energy on utter nonsense. The same goes for any other advance and any other religion. The more fervently a people hold to their religion the less likely they are to accomplish anything real


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