The Blind Ass said:

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/25731151#25731151

So, I want to ask how & why exactly is Tiletamine hcl supposedly the most

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please drop your fear and assess rationally

Tiletamine and ketamine are the only arylcyclohexylamines still in widespread medical use after about 50 years. Ketamine is a NMDA antagonist of short duration which is so kind its given to children because it has extra effects making it a friendlier drug, but it has ArCA toxicity on bladder, kidneys etc.

Tiletamine is a pure NMDA antagonist without added effects. it is ten times as potent, so the number of milligrams filtering through your kidneys is at least 10x lower, limiting ArCA toxicity. this purity comes at a price, its a very upsetting drug, it causes unmitigated turmoil, which gets toned down with a benzodiazepine, like my valium, given alongside it.

They don't want a literal 400lbs gorilla ranting and raving without my self control, after a surgery, especially because unlike my use, an anestethic dose is what a tripper would consider an ovedrose. taking an anesthetic dose of tiletamine is like a dose of dmt so high that your consciousness is so engaged that they can cut into you. no tripper would want a dose of either thats so high, inhumane even for animals.

The intense psychological turmoil is the TRIP so for entheogenic use this is preferred and you can tone it down with a benzo (or magnesium )

I freaked out because i was an MXE addict, and MXE has serotonin effects that tiletamine does not possess, so, after 3x pulling an all nighter in like 10 days or so, dumb, i took this novel drug that was so clean of side effects but also devoid of my mdma like kick that i kept upping the dose until freaking out was the only way out. 500mg tiletamine = 5 GRAMS of ketamine that i put up my botty in whopping doses because it was SO SIDE EFFECT FREE that i had no idea how much drug it was.

tiletamine in combination with zolazepam (benzo) is used in most animal species because its physicaly more favorable than ketamine in anesthetic doses, but too upsetting in those doses to use in humans because it trips you out so hard as dmt does, for 4-7 hours in a way that is not chemically fun.

that the chemical effect is highly unattractive pleasurewise is great for an ex addict because i have been hating on the drug during 3/4 of the effect because it was so gnarly. the entheogenic effect is there but not the chemical pleasure of mxe or ketamine.

it had my nuts in a metaphorical meat grinder i myself had to crank. thast by no means is a recreational activity.

i was there for the raw entheogenicity, not for any sort of fun or i would have taken something like MXiP, which is a loty more fun but also more addictive.

all this is true.

is that not highly rational?

The Blind Ass said:

Friend, you're scaring the shit out of me for all the wrong reasons. 

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I agree.
Asante, when you first made your posts about returning to using drugs a few weeks ago, it seemed okay.
But since then your trip reports have gotten... concerning.
As a long time user of dissociatives who has been sober from them for many years, I see you heading straight towards a dissociative disaster if you keep up what you're doing.
I only say this because I respect you and want the best for you, and I would want you to tell me the same if our roles were reversed.