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I live in Sweden where it's really hard to get strong alcohol for a good price, vodka is super expensive. There’s also zero tolerance for alcohol when driving. This got me thinking if there's a method for alcohol free double extract and i've found something. Instead of alcohol you use glycerine. Traditionally a extract only using glycerine is called a glycerite so i guess it's a double extract glycerite. Glycerine have an ability to extract non water soluble like phenols, sterols and tripertens. It's actually a form of alcohol which have a syrup consistency with super sweet taste. I use 50/50 pure glycerine with water which is said to be effective when extracting. This is what i use:

  • Vegetable glycerine 99.5%
  • Dried mushrooms
  • Saucepan
  • Measure equipment
  • Vacuum sealer and bags
  • Mint leaves
  • Cheese cloth for filtering
  • Dropper flasks



1. Start with water extract. We are gonna use that as the 50% water. Use whatever mushroom you like and process them all the way to a powder if you can. I like to go out and forage, there's so many medicinal polypores that are overlooked. I like to use multiple species because they often have unique beta glucans, acids and other compounds, making it a truly full spectrum mushroom extract. Here i'm doing an extract with hard polypores so they're cut up as much as possible with a knife and then dried. Making a powder of them except the reishi is hard work!


195g Red-belted conk, 124g Tinder conk, 106g Willow bracket and 44g Reishi


2. Top up with water in a saucepan so that it covers the mushrooms. Keep it at a low boil with lid on for 3 hours. Squeeze the mushrooms to get the juice out and save them. Now you have to decide how much finished extract you want. Youre gonna fill up the same amount as the water extract with glycerine. Remember that some of the liquid will stay in the mushrooms. You will also have to add 10% glycerine of the amount of extract you get out for preservation purpuses. I chose to reduce water extract to 0.5L.



Water extract ready



Use pure glycerine


3. Top up with glycerine 0.5L to total medium of 1L and add mint leaves for that fresh taste and smell. I cut up the mushrooms into smaller pieces which is easier after the water extraction. Add the mushrooms to a vacuum bag and pour in your extract medium. Vacuum seal it to get air out and force extraction medium against the mushrooms. Sous vide the bag for 6 hours. I just keep it steaming around 80C.



50% water extract 50% glycerine with mint leaves




Vacuum sealed bag going into the saucepan with warm water


4. Let it cool down and filter the extract through cheese cloth. Squeeze the hell out of the mushroom, you can use a potato press to save your hands some strain. I filter it one more time in case anything got through when squeezing.



5. Measure the amount of extract you got out and top it up with 10% glycerine. I got 900 ml out so i added 90 ml glycerine. This give you a extract of 60% glycerine and 40% water which is recommended for good shelf life.



6. Add the extract to drop flasks or any dark glass container. I use brewing sterilizer to clean them before filling for better shelf life. Store flasks in the fridge. They have shelf life of 1-2 years.



Time for the evening dose


When it comes to dosing you have to try it for yourself. It depends on how strong your extract is. Low amount of extract in relation to amount of mushrooms used indicates a strong extract, given that you successfuly use this method, and vice verse. If dont get it strong you can just use a bigger dose.

Now you have a alcohol free double extract with great taste and easy to use on a daily basis. The sweetness from the glycerine and freshness from the mint removes the bitter taste from the mushrooms and makes it a pleasure to intake. This is perfect if you dont wanna intake alcohol on a daily basis. Since it's alcohol free its also suitable for people under 18 and animals but i dont recommend anything other than personal use. Do not use if you have diabetes, some of the glycerine become glucose when digested and medicinal effect from mushrooms can interact with insuline and blood sugar.

Stay safe!


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Edited by Mohinder (12/04/22 05:08 PM)

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Re: Alcohol free double extract TEK [Re: Mohinder]
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maybe im dumb but from ur write up sounds like u do a water extract and just add glycerin to the water extract after solids are taken out? pic looks like u added glycerin to shrooms tho which is likely what u did as double extract.

I wonder if so many people taking mushroom antibiotics will cause more resistant bacteria? kinda makes sense. and wonder if the strong stuff kills off ur biome in ur gut.

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Re: Alcohol free double extract TEK [Re: the man]
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the man said:
maybe im dumb but from ur write up sounds like u do a water extract and just add glycerin to the water extract after solids are taken out? pic looks like u added glycerin to shrooms tho which is likely what u did as double extract.

I wonder if so many people taking mushroom antibiotics will cause more resistant bacteria? kinda makes sense. and wonder if the strong stuff kills off ur biome in ur gut.


First water extract then top that up with equal amount of glycerine, pour that into vacuum bag with the mushrooms inside. This is the other extraction that gets out phenols, sterols and tripertens. A mix of water and glycerine is apperently more effective than only using pure glycerine.

For your other question i’ve heard different things. Some take low dose daily and increase dose when sick or only when they’re sick. Many say to take pauses after long time daily use. I do think it depends on the species though, ive read birch polypore contain a compound with strong antibiotic effect.

I get ticks on a daily basis in my job during the warm month so wanna strengthen immunity system against borrelia for a while. Also got problem with Seborrheic eczema which causes dandruff and red skin in my face. Apparently a combination of high amount of yeast on your skin and weak skin protection. So im also trying it out for skin care. If you are perfectly healthy and happy i dont see a need to use it because you probably have a point with the antibiotic effect.


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Alcohol free double extract TEK


Min-max Bag pasteurization TEK


"I choose a lazy person to do a hard job. Because a lazy person will find an easy way to do it." - Bill Gates

Edited by Mohinder (12/05/22 03:52 AM)

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Re: Alcohol free double extract TEK [Re: Mohinder]
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Nice write up :thumbup:

I think the red belted polypore and the tinder conk are some really good, often overlooked medicinals.

I'm in the camp now that only uses these when sick/needed.  I think the body becomes accustomed to anything you regularly take and it's best to save these medicines for when there's a function to perform, but that's just my opinion.


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Re: Alcohol free double extract TEK [Re: Forrester]
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cool!

u can try taking omegas and probiotic infact put probiotic on your face after u do some time with yoru antibiotic treatments.  interesting study with kids that are C section far more prone to skin issues and asthma etc and infact they have been putting gauze in moms vagina and rub it over babies eyes and nose body etc as it gets extra rip before birth to inoculate with healthy biota. im sure alot of astham and allergies are from enviro but also probably because it woudl seem ALOT more C section babies that are needed.  forgot what the series was but it was pretty neat idea.

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Re: Alcohol free double extract TEK [Re: Mohinder]
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^^^almost all our health, or lack thereof, can be traced to our little bacterial buddies in the gut and elsewhere


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Re: Alcohol free double extract TEK [Re: Forrester]
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Yes true and not just our physical health but our mental health and thought processes can even be linked to gut biota.

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Re: Alcohol free double extract TEK [Re: Mohinder]
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Almost ALL of them are if you really get into the research!

I've recently gotten into the carnivore diet because my Lyme disease made me intolerant to most grains etc, and listening to the research Dr. Paul Saladino presents, there's study after study linking almost every neurological condition to imbalances in gut biome.  As usual, correlation does not equal causation but there's an awful lot of correlation when you look into it.


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Repugnant is a creature who would squander the ability to lift an eye to heaven, conscious of his fleeting time here.
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Have some medicinal mushrooms and want to get the most out of them?  Try this double extraction method.

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Re: Alcohol free double extract TEK [Re: Forrester]
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Forrester said:
Almost ALL of them are if you really get into the research!

I've recently gotten into the carnivore diet because my Lyme disease made me intolerant to most grains etc, and listening to the research Dr. Paul Saladino presents, there's study after study linking almost every neurological condition to imbalances in gut biome.  As usual, correlation does not equal causation but there's an awful lot of correlation when you look into it.


What do you think about taking these extract daily during june to september when the ticks are active here? Maybe a different routine with a couple of doses a week would be better than daily? I don't have any symptoms for lyme yet but want to prevent it as i get them suckers on me daily at work. And another question, i know you make lions mane extract, do you think that is safe to use on a daily basis? :smile:


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My contributions


Alcohol free double extract TEK


Min-max Bag pasteurization TEK


"I choose a lazy person to do a hard job. Because a lazy person will find an easy way to do it." - Bill Gates

Edited by Mohinder (12/10/22 11:59 AM)

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Re: Alcohol free double extract TEK [Re: Mohinder]
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Stephen Buhner (RIP he just died), had a tincture recipe that completely prevents you from getting Lyme if you're taking it and get bit.  I think all it is is andrographis panaculata, but I could be remembering incorrectly.  He posts a lot online, maybe a search could find out for sure.  Check out his website.

If I recall it may even work if you take it within 24hrs AFTER getting a bite.  It's just a single plant tincture.


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Have some medicinal mushrooms and want to get the most out of them?  Try this double extraction method.

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Re: Alcohol free double extract TEK [Re: Forrester]
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if prevents lyme must be a heavy duty antibiotic and perhaps not wise to take all the time??? hate to always harp on that idea but just fyi. RX antibiotics are sourced natural aswell so all good :wink:

fuck lyme tho foreal.. esp with it warming up getting more of the "bad ticks" around here.  mostly dog ticks here but man just crossing a deer trail and have 6 on u instantly. when i was little I was outside WAAAY more and remember 1 ever crawling on my head, also may of never noticed but biologists are saying there is larger population.

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Re: Alcohol free double extract TEK [Re: Mohinder]
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Yeah I don't think it's a good idea to take any medicine all the time, even plants, so I don't.

But I believe you can also take a big dose within a day after being bitten by a tick and it will at least very likely prevent long term infection.  That's of course if you notice you're bitten in time.  Don't wait for the telltale rash, it doesn't always appear.


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Have some medicinal mushrooms and want to get the most out of them?  Try this double extraction method.

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Re: Alcohol free double extract TEK [Re: Forrester]
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Forrester said:
Stephen Buhner (RIP he just died), had a tincture recipe that completely prevents you from getting Lyme if you're taking it and get bit.


Hi, did you find that post? We have a Lyme disease problem where we live, so that tincture would be useful. Thanks


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