Brian Jones said:

That assumes simple random sampling (perfect random sampling). You didn't have that, so you have no valid estimates. It's impossible to do inferential statistics from a convenience sample.

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The Blind Ass said:

koods said:

If the US decided to expand its presence in Cuba beyond Guantanamo Bay and invaded and occupied half the island, then ten days later the US held an referendum asking if that occupied territory would like to join the US, there is no way you would find that legitimate.

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

Brian Jones said:

That assumes simple random sampling (perfect random sampling). You didn't have that, so you have no valid estimates. It's impossible to do inferential statistics from a convenience sample.

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The method I used was pretty good random sampling.  How should it have been done, and why do you ignore the Gallup results that shows the same thing?

I'm sharing what I've learned.  I know you guys hate to hear it, but I've provided three different sources of information (including various follow-up polls).  Even if we assume people were afraid to vote (which I absolutely know they weren't because I also spoke with pro-Ukrainian voters), the follow-up polls still indicate people thought the results were accurate.

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christopera said:

Yeah, but nobody on mobile answers calls from numbers they don't know. So again, old people.

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The Blind Ass said:

chopstick said:

ballsalsa said:

Call it what you want, Russian forces were in occupation of the region before the vote, outside the scope of their treaty. Putin admitted it. No amount of sugar coating can change it.

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Call it what you want, but no amount of sugar coating can change the fact that Crimeans were so disgusted with the illegitimate post-coup regime installed by Obama and Victoria Nuland that they voted in a 95% super-majority to join Russia.

God Damn I swear to God, if it were up to people like you all of Crimea would have been forced to stay in Ukraine just so they could be brutally oppressed, murdered, tortured and executed by the fuckin' shitbag Banderites that stole power with US-backing just to satisfy your personal disdain for Russia.

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Let’s see here.  Hmmm…

The territory occupied ( invaded / infiltrated ) by Russia  then voted overwhelmingly in favor of secession from the country the land falls within - in in favor of joining Russia…by 95%.

You don’t say…

I’m sure it’s got absolutely nothing to do with Russia’s well established interests in the strategic ports as well as all the neighboring areas…

but then again it apparently did!
bc they’d later go on to prove it post facto via invading Ukraine outright.

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ballsalsa said:

Cry some more crocodile tears

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

The Blind Ass said:

koods said:

If the US decided to expand its presence in Cuba beyond Guantanamo Bay and invaded and occupied half the island, then ten days later the US held an referendum asking if that occupied territory would like to join the US, there is no way you would find that legitimate.

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It's not the same thing though.  A better analogy would be if some other country helped overthrow the elected government of Cuba, and then the US went in to hold a referendum to see if overthrow of Cuba's elected government is what the Cuban people really wanted.

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Brian Jones said:

The way it should have been done is every member of the population has an equal chance of being sampled. I know nothing of the Gallup results.

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Quote:

One voter, Olga Koziko, told the BBC that she was voting for secession because she did not want to be governed by "those Nazis who came to power in Kiev".

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ballsalsa said:

Domestic elections of any kind held under foreign military occupation are not legitimate. That includes elections held under U.S. military occupation, Russian occupation, etc. Don't bother looking for a counter example or claiming that you talked to a whole bunch of people who loved this or that referendum because, say it with me now,
"Domestic elections of any kind held under foreign military occupation are not legitimate"

But what if there was a coup in the recent past?
Not legitimate

But what if it would deprive someone of a port?
Not legitimate

But what if you just liberated them from orthodox theocratic rule?
Not legitimate

But what about occupied Japan?
Not legitimate

Etc.

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