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Invisiblehoneypf
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Re: Review of strains?
    #277343 - 03/23/01 04:35 PM (16 years, 3 days ago)

Tom why is B+ lousy, are they not potent enough for ya?

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Invisiblehoneypf
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Re: Review of strains?
    #277415 - 03/23/01 04:57 PM (16 years, 3 days ago)

HAHa that is good, hey cool pic.

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Re: Review of strains? [Re: honeypf]
    #277434 - 03/23/01 05:16 PM (16 years, 3 days ago)

It's always nice to see a few Nazis on the site. So what your saying is all people are the same to, Right!!!!! Geographic, and environmental differences don't cause things to change, like appearance. So I guess you would say that there are no differences between marijuana strains either.



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Offlineholographic mind
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Re: Review of strains? [Re: ]
    #277449 - 03/23/01 05:35 PM (16 years, 3 days ago)

teonan you are talking to the wrong person because I know their is a huge difference between various strains of marijuana. I am obsessed with marijuana and I have grown several different strains outdoors for the last three straight years. As far as different strains of psilcoybe cubensis are concerned, there is no difference between strains that can be accurately described. I believe there is a huge difference between species though, copelandia cyanescens provides one hell of a different expeirence than cubensis and i recently sampled ps. mexicana for the first time and it was quite different. The so called difference in trips and growth characteristics of various strains of ps. cubensis is spore vendor hype and subjective. Each trip is different no matter if it is the same dose of the same strain. All mushroom trips have similarities and all are unique in there own way even when consuming the same strain at the same dose on two different occasions. For instance someone might eat 1/8 oz of cambodia one month and have a heavy body buzz andmild visuals, then the next month eat the same dose from the same cloned batch and experience a intensely visual trip. it is subjective, but also has to do with particular concentrations of neurotransmitter chemicals in the brain and such. I am not saying that different strains can't vary in the concentration of active chemicals but within the same species of psilocybe it is my believe that this variation is negligable.



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Re: Review of strains? [Re: holographic mind]
    #277466 - 03/23/01 05:54 PM (16 years, 3 days ago)

Well dude, I'm glad to see you understand what the word strain means. But what seperates strains of Cannabis, and why wouldn't these factors also apply to the rest of the biological world. A cubensis from Florida is different from a cubensis from mexico. Iv'e seen differences between cubensis growing in the same field. Some are more tolerant to cold weather, some like it hot, some grow tall with small caps, some stay short with huge caps. Growing in the same conditions, just different appearance. That's what strain selection means. Isolating different variants from the same parents. As far as potency goes, you could get different concentrations from the same casing, of the same strain. But like I said in another post, good luck proving that, I certainly don't have a schedule 1 license, so I just eat them. And as you correctly stated before, The actual experience is relatively subjective, up to a point. Rather chaotic, with a sense of order and familiarity.



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OfflineKast
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Re: Review of strains? [Re: holographic mind]
    #277475 - 03/23/01 06:07 PM (16 years, 3 days ago)

thank you, holographic mind! You basically replied for me, give or take a few ideas/sentences.


You people need to understand that mushrooms strains have no comparison to any other plant/animal growth on this planet. mushrooms are unique, and therefore, they can only be explained using mushroom terminology. You can't compare mushroom strains to marijuana strains, it's "apples and toy trucks".



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Re: Review of strains? [Re: Kast]
    #277491 - 03/23/01 06:22 PM (16 years, 3 days ago)

Kast your wrong, every living thing on the planet obeys certain rules. If you have grown out enough isolates of one species of MUSHROOM you will see there are VERY REAL DIFFERENCES. And that is not comparing apples to oranges. You are trying to tell me and the rest of the readers here, that natural selection some how doesn't apply to mushrooms. I was just using the Pot analogy, following my anti rascist human analogy, for the anti-semite Hologram. That was a joke. I have over thirty distinct strains of cubensis, all picked in the state of florida. Yes their all cubensis, they all fruit on the same substrate, grow within a fifteen degree Farh. range, but are truley distinct in appearance, for what ever reason you decide to give. Are they differences compared to growing different species, Absolutely NOT!!!!!!! But distinct enough to call them strains, YES. And I'm not trying to sell anything!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am in no way shape or form affiliated with any spore vendor. I've never purchased a strain of cubensis from anyone. They grow naturalized all over Florida. I just jump a fence and pick them.



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Re: Review of strains? [Re: ]
    #277643 - 03/23/01 11:18 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

pay not attention to the 'know-it-alls'.
any educated person knows that natural selection will cause a species to vary from location to location, and if isolated long enough even give rise to a 'new' subspecies.
the problem is that it's awfully difficult for amatuer mycologists lacking formal education and lab equipment to classify the differences.
but for my money, i'd go with the hawaiians next, even pf says they're are great, which is a pretty good compliment from a guy like him. he knows his shrooms.

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Re: Review of strains? [Re: ]
    #277717 - 03/24/01 02:44 AM (16 years, 2 days ago)

Oh, for christ's sake, not this argument again...



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OfflineRxwoman
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Re: Review of strains? [Re: Kast]
    #278009 - 03/24/01 04:52 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

Hello,
I think this is a great idea for a thread. It is a question I have often wondered myself, but since every vendor says something different, it is difficult to know what to beleive. Individual amatuer cultivator's opinion is just what I would like to hear.
So, I will add my 2 cents:
My llama hercules initially ordered 2 syringes of PF Classic.
They arivved quickly, and were quite sterile.
they germinated by day 5. colonized by about week three ( or therea bouts). and pinned invitro. they were fruited on the cakes in a humid plastic container. the resulting fruit were numerous, but small, short, with dark chocolate-purplish caps, and short, squat, fat-assed stems that never thinned out or became tall, even after the caps opened.
The PF Classic strain from PF is a good strain for begginers I believe. the fruit are short, fat-assed, ugly little things that are quite potent, and easy to grow.
According to Hercule's friend who ate some of these, and shared some with a few other friends, they were very potent, but caused some stomach upset, and mild head ache.
Seriously, this is what they told me, but I don't know because I have yet to try any myself ( I kid you not). But if potency is at all related to ' body noise' I can beleive what they are saying. The PF Classics also display much of the bluing reaction when cut or bruised. Again this is supposed to be related to potency, so is consistent with what they are reporting.
the only other strain Hercules has tried is the Cambodians from the Hawk's Eye. The syringe arrived after a couple of weeks, but was mostly contaminted. Only one jar colonized, but had to be trimmed to remove uncolonized areas.
The syringe was replaced, but the replacement spores are still colonizing the jars at this time.
the original cambo jar that survived was crumbled, and cased with vermiculite. It finally did produce some beautiful fruit that looked nothing like PF Classic's ugly little fat asses.
They did not blue as drastically as the PF Classics, so again I'm thinking the reports of PF Classic's potency is accurate. Unfortunately none of Hercule's friends have tried any of the cambos. He says he had no trouble getting it to pin or fruit, but that it did not colonize as quickly as the Hawk's eye's site says it is supposed to. This could be due to the contamination it had to fight off. Also the replacement syringe is not colonizing very quickly either, but it is possible cold temps during shipping could be affecting it.
So, this is mine and hercule's opinion. we will add more as he trys differing strains.
Any vendors out there who might want to send him some spores to try, feel free to send some free samples, lol!
Rxwoman.



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Re: Review of strains? [Re: Kast]
    #278022 - 03/24/01 05:19 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

What is wrong Kast? Don't like to be disagreed with. The statement was that ALL cubensis are alike. I disagreed with such an all encompassing statement. The next statement put forth by you was that somehow, nature has isolated mushrooms, and they somehow don't obey natures law. I have personally isolated and grown out extremely variable strains of cubensis (wild). Many of which had very different growth habits, and outward appearences. This is what the word strain implies. I guess maybe you should tell Stametes that his CS-2 strain of Shitake is no different than the rest of the strains of Shitake in circulation are. Maybe I'm just a little confused as to what was said, maybe it's just the specific mushroom P. cubensis that has somehow developed an ability to ignore natural selection. Or in this case cultivated selection.



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Re: Review of strains? [Re: ]
    #278066 - 03/24/01 06:33 PM (16 years, 2 days ago)

Okay, you're right. I'm wrong. Happy?



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Re: Review of strains? [Re: Kast]
    #278083 - 03/24/01 07:04 PM (16 years, 1 day ago)

Mushrooms from different areas of the world definately vary in appearence. But they all contain the same chemicals and the amount in each mushroom can vary from shroom to shroom within the same patch.

But if Joe Bloe picks a shroom on the 1200 block of East st. and BoB Bimbo picks one from two blocks away, they really have no right calling them different strains.

Try the Tapalpa strain, a new strain from Western Mexico. Available only at the Spore Lab.



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Re: Review of strains? [Re: ]
    #278096 - 03/24/01 07:29 PM (16 years, 1 day ago)

Umm.. Dude, do you think I'm trying to say there is no such thing as strains? If so, I didn't say that. I just reread your post, but I guess it's my fault because I only skimmed it the first time thinking you were just trying to start an argument.

Of course there are strains. I was only saying that there differences that separate them are far less than what most arm-chair mycologists on this site say they are. I don't need to run to a Stamets book for back-up. When you open a field-guide? Do you see a different description for each strain? No. Why is that? Because they ARE strains.

If you look through the archives, I posted a really long post about this in reply to Ryche Hawk (but maybe he thought the same thing you did). In fact, that post wasn't even complete, I could've gone on for even longer with it but I got bored.

I'm speaking on a more mycological level, the grand scheme of the argument. In other words, I'm talking about macroscopic and microscopic appearances; Gill attachments; Habitats, etc. You should know them all, after reading all of those Stamets books.





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Re: Review of strains?
    #278419 - 03/25/01 08:27 AM (16 years, 1 day ago)

subjective might be a better description than delusional.

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Re: Review of strains? [Re: emetheus]
    #278967 - 03/26/01 01:02 AM (16 years, 17 hours ago)

THAT WOULD BE A VERY LONG FIELD GUIDE, it might be a bit large to carry over that barbwire fence, in search of that Big GOLDEN mushroom growing directly out of those piles of SHIT.



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