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 george castanza
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 Re: Do different strains = different trips?  [Re: fee]
#1445091 - 04/09/03 11:08 PM (21 years, 10 months ago) |
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kramer got his from Ryche
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Roadkill
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 Re: Do different strains = different trips? [Re: Diploid]
#1445505 - 04/10/03 01:07 AM (21 years, 10 months ago) |
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Psilocybin is rapidly converted to psilocin once you eat a mushroom and psilocin is the same substance no matter what species it comes from. If the molecule is identical in all cases, how can one mushroom give a different trip than another?
There are about twenty isolated alkaloids that are reflections of the original Tryptophan precursors in psilocybe mushrooms. That is not counting the enzymes within the mushrooms that cause the bluing effect and the oxidisation of these active alkaloids. Many of these are very similar to psilocybin and psilocin - such as baeocystis and nor-baeocystis althought these two are actually misnomers and not really seperate alkaloids in the way that a Biochemist would explain it.
There are studies by Stivje and De Meijer, Bigwood and Beug and Gartz that indicate that the levels of psilocybin and psilocin as well as related alkaloids vary considerably not only between spore races but also between flushes.
Gartz found in a specimen of Panaeolus Cyanescens .7% Psilocybin, .04% psilocin, .01% baeocystis, 0.03% unconverted L-tryptophan, .06% 5-OH-tryptophan and 0.02% serotonin. And these were the only alkaloids he was testing for.
Now lets talk about the Cambodian for a minute.
There are 3 different strains of Cambodians running around the OMC labeled as Cambodian.
mjshroomer (John Allen) brought back 3 different strains of Cubensis from Cambodian found in different areas of Cambodia...and they were all given out as the Cambodian.
I know this cause I am friends with him...he told me so.
I have 2 of the Cambodian strains...they differ greatly in size and color of the mushroom.
One of the Cambodian strains has a very visual and colorful trip.
The other one is sort of a mind fuck...you trip on how dirty things around you are...and it can be almost depressing.
The 3rd Cambodian strain might be the Keepers Creeper...that has been isolated.
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 Re: Do different strains = different trips? [Re: Roadkill]
#1445519 - 04/10/03 01:17 AM (21 years, 10 months ago) |
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So you are certain that different strains give different trips?
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Re: Do different strains = different trips? [Re: oO_wombat_Oo]
#1445535 - 04/10/03 01:24 AM (21 years, 10 months ago) |
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I know so
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Re: Do different strains = different trips? [Re: Roadkill]
#1445575 - 04/10/03 01:57 AM (21 years, 10 months ago) |
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you trip on how dirty things around you are...and it can be almost depressing.
The 3rd Cambodian strain might be the Keepers Creeper...that has been isolated.
I hate that feeling 
So, out of Pesa, Creeper, Cambodian (not sure which strain), and Koh Samui, which should give a more visual, happy trip?
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Re: Do different strains = different trips? [Re: BigJohnson]
#1445615 - 04/10/03 02:18 AM (21 years, 10 months ago) |
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The smaller Cambodian does...great visuals and colors.
The KS T-3 is pretty good too.
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Laterz, Road
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george castanza
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Re: Do different strains = different trips? [Re: BigJohnson]
#1445620 - 04/10/03 02:23 AM (21 years, 10 months ago) |
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kramer has only tried cambo and pesa and the cambo was more visual and a lot lighter on the mind fuck side now mexi-cub ikho is like a hit of that super clean white blotter that used to follow the dead...
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Re: Do different strains = different trips? [Re: george castanza]
#1445623 - 04/10/03 02:24 AM (21 years, 10 months ago) |
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you need to try some Cyans...they are real clean feeling.
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george castanza
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Re: Do different strains = different trips? [Re: Roadkill]
#1445635 - 04/10/03 02:35 AM (21 years, 10 months ago) |
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ya kramer is trying to get out to the country so he could expand his research a little
btw how long from inoculation to fruits on the pans
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Re: Do different strains = different trips? [Re: george castanza]
#1445654 - 04/10/03 02:47 AM (21 years, 10 months ago) |
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Sorry bro...you mis-understood me.
Not Pan Cyans...I was talking about Psilocybe Cyanescens.
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Re: Do different strains = different trips? [Re: Roadkill]
#1445940 - 04/10/03 08:09 AM (21 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hey Roadkill thanks you totaly proved my point. Cause one of my friends had some cambos from one source and said that they where a mind fuck and I did them too and had the same affect. Now my friend has some cambo's that came from TLG and only one person so far has tried them but he said they had great visuals unlike the ones Homestead IMHO thier company sucks and thier bunk ass cambo's.
Edited by fee (04/10/03 08:10 AM)
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Re: Do different strains = different trips? [Re: fee]
#1447928 - 04/10/03 07:47 PM (21 years, 10 months ago) |
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I agree as always with Roadkill.
Immaculate's comment that there are no variations in alkaloid content between strains is factually incorrect and as Roady has posted - studies by Stivje and Demeijer in 1993 demonstrate up to .15% variations- which is significant. Importantly these studies only demonstrate the variation in two alkaloids and there are many more present.
I agree with Roadkills observations that, as these many alkaloids are all representations of biological conversions of the same tryptophan precursors, that their affect on bioassay must be plausible.
But the major emphasis of my arguement that there are differences not only in potency but characteristics not only of different species, but even spore-races is from experience and the mushrooms have demonstrated this to be true.
Anyone who says otherwise should grow six strains of cubensis then gat back to us.
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Re: Do different strains = different trips? [Re: george castanza]
#1448202 - 04/10/03 09:28 PM (21 years, 10 months ago) |
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Well what i think is its all about the setting and the mindset......for example i took a hit of acid and chilled with a freind had a blast and tripped my nuts off ......took a hit bymyself same shit same 10 strip...and didnt trip nearly as hard....when it come to tripping the slightest difference in surroundings makes a big difference in the way your gonna feel...or like who your with if you guys get what i mean...and i think every trip is differnt.....try tripping by yourself same dose...same shit and take notice of the difference
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Re: Do different strains = different trips? [Re: deathinchaos]
#1448233 - 04/10/03 09:42 PM (21 years, 10 months ago) |
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damn i kinda feel like a jag now.....i hadnt finished reading all the replys.........i still think that the setting would make some sort of an impact on the way you trip....i respect what roadkill has to say...and i ve only shromed a hanful of times and i wouldnt know what strain they were because i bought them from dealers.....so this is a question directed toward roadill or for that matter anybody else who has tried the amazonians....how was the trip.....i got them from sporeworks
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Re: Do different strains = different trips? [Re: deathinchaos]
#1448240 - 04/10/03 09:45 PM (21 years, 10 months ago) |
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Sure, setting is knonw to be a major influence.
I wonder if you didn't trip so hard the second time because you were just more tolerent after the first hit?
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Re: Do different strains = different trips? [Re: oO_wombat_Oo]
#1448300 - 04/10/03 10:19 PM (21 years, 10 months ago) |
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hey deathinchaos, i got GT's from sporeworks too. not only have i had both mind fuck trips off of them (dif batches, flushes, etc) but i have had completely visual trips off em too. but i have to agree with the smart guy who said that GT's seem to be pretty good for all around effect's, and the smart guy who said that its the setting and mindset. if u mix both opinions together a little, it all makes sense...
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Re: Do different strains = different trips? [Re: jakeholman]
#1448614 - 04/11/03 12:34 AM (21 years, 10 months ago) |
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i would think that to get to the bottom of this you would have to do some experiments. for example, take about 8 people (non growers, ignorant people) and divide them into 2 groups. The people would all need to have simmilar tollerances, yet somewhat experinced trippers.
Give Group A Strain X.
Give Group B Strain Y
All people would be given the same dosage. you would not tell any of them anything. Then question them individualy afterward. Record thier findings. Then say, 1 month later, you would have them trip again. with VERY simmilar enviornment. Yet prior to eating you would take each individual aside and tell them something like this
User
A1: This is the same stuff (give them the same as last, same batch)
A2: This is the same stuff (give them Strain Y this time)
A3: This is the super bombay visual stuff (give them the same as last, same batch)
A4: This is the super bombay visual stuff (give them Strain Y this time)
along with the same for Group B
then you would record thier findings, and compare your results.
This would help to prove/disprove if thier trip was mentaly influenced, or if the strain actualy changed the course of the trip. Although this would be tough since each user would have a whole month of new experinces that they had collected.
although personaly i do belive that different strains promote different trips, as a grower, i was able to see the mushrooms develop, Thier source, origin, and growth characteristics that may have alterd my menal ablility to judge them as a strain. The only true way would be with the guinnie pigs (damn, i'd love to be in that experiment  )
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Re: Do different strains = different trips? [Re: Phychotron]
#1448633 - 04/11/03 12:53 AM (21 years, 10 months ago) |
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there is definetely no better way to go than that way psychotron!!!!!
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Re: Do different strains = different trips? [Re: jakeholman]
#1448635 - 04/11/03 12:53 AM (21 years, 10 months ago) |
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so who is going to do it???
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Re: Do different strains = different trips? [Re: jakeholman]
#1448719 - 04/11/03 01:46 AM (21 years, 10 months ago) |
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heh... the Electric Kool Aid Shroom Tests?
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