chopstick said:

christopera said:

Maybe they should drive them there?

Let's see some proof of Nato bases in Ukraine.

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http://thesaker.is/day-4-of-the-russian-offensive-in-the-ukraine/

"In the meantime, the US-NATO base in Achakkov has been totally destroyed by Russian missiles, as shown on this video:

This is crucial – it shows that US or not US, NATO or not NATO, Russia will destroy any threat to herself or to the Russian military anywhere in the Ukraine.  This clear warning strongly suggest that NATO hotheads might want to think long and hard before sending in hardware or troops inside the Ukraine."

The video is in the article.

Apparently it was a naval base, the US had begun building it in 2017 and it was to be used to co-ordinate potential future naval operations between the US and NATO in the black sea.

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CHeifM4sterDiezL said:

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Tonydanzawillpay said:

I’m awaiting the myriad of excuses to roll in when kiev falls

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ONE OZ SLUG said:

Tonydanzawillpay said:

I’m awaiting the myriad of excuses to roll in when kiev falls

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It should've fallen already, if the Russian Army were even 10% as competent and prepared as everyone thought they were.

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chopstick said:

https://southfront.org/us-starts-building-major-planning-and-operational-hub-on-ochakov-naval-base-in-ukraine/

The US has started building a “maritime operations center’ on the Ochakov Naval Base in Ukraine, the US Navy said in a statement.


The naval base targeted in Ochakov clearly had a US presence before the war (the saker mis-spelled it). The US was constructing facilities there and clearly had plans for the base. That's good enough for me.


Anyway,

Barack Obama and Victoria Nuland both need to be tried for crimes against humanity for what they have done to Ukraine.

"I have an idea, let's support a violent coup using anti-russian neo-nazi's and then elevate them to positions of government all over Ukraine!"

That's more or less how it went down.

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Quote:

They call it “the American Base,” a naval outpost on the Black Sea coveted for millennia by civilizations asserting control here – including, this week, Vladimir Putin’s Russia.

The southern Ukrainian port town of Ochakiv, population 15,000, offers to the eye little to suggest its importance: a tired post-Soviet community whose people tend grapes, fish the sea and, over the past decade, have sold goods to the U.S. troops who have come here as part of efforts to build up a more sophisticated naval capacity.

Western militaries have called Ochakiv an exemplar of co-operation in ensuring the security of a fragile Ukraine.

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Quote:

When asked if U.S. fighter jets might be provided to Poland and other NATO allies, Thomas-Greenfield said those discussions are still ongoing.

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chopstick said:

https://southfront.org/us-starts-building-major-planning-and-operational-hub-on-ochakov-naval-base-in-ukraine/

The US has started building a “maritime operations center’ on the Ochakov Naval Base in Ukraine, the US Navy said in a statement.


The naval base targeted in Ochakov clearly had a US presence before the war (the saker mis-spelled it). The US was constructing facilities there and clearly had plans for the base. That's good enough for me.


Anyway,

Barack Obama and Victoria Nuland both need to be tried for crimes against humanity for what they have done to Ukraine.

"I have an idea, let's support a violent coup using anti-russian neo-nazi's and then elevate them to positions of government all over Ukraine!"

That's more or less how it went down.

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birdeatingspider said:

Apologies if it has been asked/addressed, haven't read last 2.5 pages.

Chopstick-
Again, you brought a bold claim to the table without a source:
Russia will consider Poland a participant of conflict if they provide airbases that will support Ukraine with firepower and relief aid- "regardless of nationality."
Due to being a part of NATO, this would trigger article 5 and we will be at war- according to you.

While I am able to find that Blinken has 'given the green light' to backfill planes into Poland, I cannot find anywhere Russia responding with your claim. Do you have a link, thanks.

Quote:

When asked if U.S. fighter jets might be provided to Poland and other NATO allies, Thomas-Greenfield said those discussions are still ongoing.

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https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/597056-sending-polish-fighter-jets-to-ukraine-gets-a-green-light-says

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Putin said it like 3 days ago

chopstick said:

Remember when the US Navy documents got leaked? They were planning to occupy the previously Russian naval base in Crimea. These plans were drawn up before the coup. The plan was for US Navy warships right off Russia's coast, permanently stationed there.

They didn't expect Russia to take Crimea. Too bad, so sad.

So they drew up plans for naval bases in other areas along the Ukrainian coastline. Clearly the US Navy has salivated at the idea of a black sea presence - with the intention to threaten Russia - for a long time.

Well, I think you can officially call those plans scuttled now too.

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koods said:

Russia is explicitly seeking regime change in Ukraine. Why does Russia get to do actual violent coups in Ukraine, but Obama must be brought to justice for a fairly non violent coup he had nothing to do with.

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Tonydanzawillpay said:

birdeatingspider said:

Apologies if it has been asked/addressed, haven't read last 2.5 pages.

Chopstick-
Again, you brought a bold claim to the table without a source:
Russia will consider Poland a participant of conflict if they provide airbases that will support Ukraine with firepower and relief aid- "regardless of nationality."
Due to being a part of NATO, this would trigger article 5 and we will be at war- according to you.

While I am able to find that Blinken has 'given the green light' to backfill planes into Poland, I cannot find anywhere Russia responding with your claim. Do you have a link, thanks.

Quote:

When asked if U.S. fighter jets might be provided to Poland and other NATO allies, Thomas-Greenfield said those discussions are still ongoing.

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https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/597056-sending-polish-fighter-jets-to-ukraine-gets-a-green-light-says

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Putin said it like 3 days ago

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chopstick said:

koods said:

Russia is explicitly seeking regime change in Ukraine. Why does Russia get to do actual violent coups in Ukraine, but Obama must be brought to justice for a fairly non violent coup he had nothing to do with.

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They are seeking regime change against a regime which is not only extremely hostile to them, filled with fanatics and radicals but was also itself installed by Obama's admin in February of 2014. Oh and by the way, that "fairly non-violent coup" had something like 200 people kill eachother in Maidan Square.

Saying Obama had nothing to do with any of it is pretty ridiculous. He was president and at the very least, multiple officials in his administration were involved with planning the coup.

The world would be such a better place if everybody stopped trying to regime change eachother at random intervals. All it does is lead to bloody wars like this.

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koods said:

everybody should stop regime changing except Russia which is regime changing right now. The regime change that you are defending while also saying that everybody should stop trying to regime change.

I’m beginning to think you don’t actually have any principles.

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