ONE OZ SLUG said:

Russian propaganda from the long-time supporter of Russia

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Psicomvb said:

So, Chopstick, in summary, Ukraine = bad nazis,  Russia = heroes liberating the oppressed ?

Give me a friggin break

You dismiss all the evidence people are pointing out about Russian casualties and Ukranian civilian deaths by saying they are fake/old videos (I don't doubt many are) but then unquestionably eat up these supposedly current videos of ukranian neo nazis holding civilians captive under threat of death.

I'm calling BS on this invasion being a result of nazis being in charge in Ukraine.  Their president is sure nazi-like with his super Jewish ancestry and holocaust surviving lineage

There's propaganda on both sides but don't become a putin apologist because of that.

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ONE OZ SLUG said:

Imagine simping for Putin for free on the internet. Get mad about it.

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This was seen as a major threat because it would not give the Russian leadership enough time to make a responsible decision to react to a potential nuclear first-strike.

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TheFakeSunRa said:

Why do the weirdest people use so many words?

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chopstick said:

ONE OZ SLUG said:

Russian propaganda from the long-time supporter of Russia

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You're an idiot and not worth my time

Psicomvb said:

So, Chopstick, in summary, Ukraine = bad nazis,  Russia = heroes liberating the oppressed ?

Give me a friggin break

You dismiss all the evidence people are pointing out about Russian casualties and Ukranian civilian deaths by saying they are fake/old videos (I don't doubt many are) but then unquestionably eat up these supposedly current videos of ukranian neo nazis holding civilians captive under threat of death.

I'm calling BS on this invasion being a result of nazis being in charge in Ukraine.  Their president is sure nazi-like with his super Jewish ancestry and holocaust surviving lineage

There's propaganda on both sides but don't become a putin apologist because of that.

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You're right, they didn't invade specifically because of neo-nazi's in Ukraine. It is only a fortunate coincidence that they get to deal with that problem at the same time. Russia invaded because Ukraine was getting ready to join NATO and because Zelensky threatened to get nukes a few days before Russia decided to invade. Ukraine already has the technical capacity to manufacture nuclear weapons in place, they could have built them in a few weeks once the decision was taken. Zelensky made a *huge* blunder when he threatened Russia by trying to acquire nuclear weapons.

There were several NATO bases already inside Ukraine that were either fully built or in the process of being built. One of the first things Russia did was take out these bases (using Iskander missiles.)

Ukraine joining NATO was a red line for Russia. If you want to know why, well here's why: US/NATO nukes in Ukraine would have had a 3-5 minute flight time to the center of Moscow. This was seen as a major threat because it would not give the Russian leadership enough time to make a responsible decision to react to a potential nuclear first-strike.

In other words, Ukraine joining NATO was considered an existential threat to Russia.

This entire crisis could have literally been avoided if Zelensky had been willing to declare Ukraine a neutral country. Russia would have had no reason to invade. Sadly he could not do this, the Neo-Nazi groups in Ukraine have too much power and they already sent him death threats when he told them to lay down their arms and stop attacking the Eastern Ukrainian breakaway zones in 2019.

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twighead said:

What a crock of shit, post some real evidence of these claims -

And you think that there's a big difference between us having nukes in Turkey vs Ukraine? lmao.

SLBMs from the black sea, baltic sea, or the barrents sea are all the same result essentially as well.

It's not about any of that shit.

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chopstick said:

Meanwhile most people just turn off their brains, turn off their critical thinking centers and subscribe to Low-IQ propaganda that is not based in reality, simply because it's more comfortable for them psychologically

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chopstick said:

twighead said:

What a crock of shit, post some real evidence of these claims -

And you think that there's a big difference between us having nukes in Turkey vs Ukraine? lmao.

SLBMs from the black sea, baltic sea, or the barrents sea are all the same result essentially as well.

It's not about any of that shit.

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Nothing of what you are saying invalidates the fact that Ukraine joining NATO is a massive red-line for Russia, and that nukes placed on their territory would have been a huge threat for Russia. Sorry to break it to you, but nukes and nazi's are not a great combo.

Does anybody seriously think Russia invaded Ukraine and is throwing away the lives of their soldiers for fun? No, they are doing this because they see it as a position where they had no choice but to intervene militarily for reasons of national security.

Russia tried to deal with this situation diplomatically for EIGHT YEARS. Eight years of diplomacy which turned out to be a complete waste of time. Not once in eight years did the Ukrainians stop shelling East Ukraine and not once did they give security guarantees to Russia. Instead, they threatened to pull out of the Budapest agreement that prevented them from acquiring nuclear weapons - a massive provocation. The diplomatic option failed. This left only the military one.

It's truly incredible that people would think it's OK for the US to invade Iraq, kill a million Iraqi's based on a rumor about Saddam having WMD's - which turned out NOT EVEN TO BE TRUE - but somehow Russia is not justified over an actual *real threat* that Ukraine was going to place nukes right up on their border. Can you imagine if the shoe was on the other foot and Russia put nukes in Mexico right up on the US/Mexico border? The level of hysteria, panic and fear would be massive - and you would bet your ass the US would respond militarily.

You're outta your minds. I am sympathetic to the Russian side because I actually make an effort to understand their position, and because I have reviewed the mountains upon mountains of evidence proving that the Ukrainian side is guilty of tens of warcrimes going all the way back to 2014. We're talking about a country guilty of killing tens of thousands of their own people. If they got nukes, they would have been crazy enough to use them. Meanwhile most people just turn off their brains, turn off their critical thinking centers and subscribe to Low-IQ propaganda that is not based in reality, simply because it's more comfortable for them psychologically to believe that Russia are the "bad guys" and that everybody else are totally innocent fairies and are just victims of the evil Russian moskal hordes, like it's a fucking Hollywood film.

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chopstick said:

nukes placed on their territory would have been a huge threat for Russia.

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Nothing of what you are saying invalidates the fact that Ukraine joining NATO is a massive red-line for Russia, and that nukes placed on their territory would have been a huge threat for Russia. Sorry to break it to you, but nukes and nazi's are not a great combo.

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unam sanctum said:

I want to hear this fucker say he supports Putin out loud.  One paragraph or less

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The truth has nothing to do with whether or not you support Putin. It's simply the truth. So sorry that the truth makes you so butthurt. Haha, just kidding. Cry more

ONE OZ SLUG said:

Another Kremlin mouthpiece going bye-bye after realizing nobody wants to sympathize with Russia's school bombing campaign. Bye bye.

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No, I've just accepted the fact that it is utterly pointless to argue with complete and total sheep who couldn't understand the complex geopolitical forces at work in Ukraine even if they strained their brains to the point that they might have an aneurysm. The only thing they understand is hyperemotional propagandized nonsense. Reality is too hard for them to figure out. Logic and reason have been abandoned in favor of calling people Kremlin mouthpieces. I am dealing with people whom are literally retarded CNN zombies.

Well, too bad for them, and too bad for you. I know the truth is too much for most people to accept. Please keep the insults coming