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Re: Breaking Russia bombs Ukraine, UN having special emergency meeting [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
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Everything I have ever said is total bogus bs I am full of crud therefore everything I say should never be taken literal.

And I am mentally unstable.

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Re: Breaking Russia bombs Ukraine, UN having special emergency meeting [Re: Northerner]
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Northerner said:
Russia outnumbers Ukraine forces by magnitudes, Ukraine can't win. If we send them loads of weapons they can level the whole country before they lose but the outcome is a foregone conclusion unless someone else starts shooting at Russia.

It's just whether or not someone is stupid enough to do that.




Yeah I never thought about that.

What a terrible outcome-  but it sure as heck beats nukes.


I'm still shocked by that video koods posted with the dogs.


What blind brutality. Total war crimes happening here.

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Re: Breaking Russia bombs Ukraine, UN having special emergency meeting [Re: Northerner] * 1
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Northerner said:
Russia outnumbers Ukraine forces by magnitudes, Ukraine can't win. If we send them loads of weapons they can level the whole country before they lose but the outcome is a foregone conclusion unless someone else starts shooting at Russia.

It's just whether or not someone is stupid enough to do that.


Numbers aren't everything if Afgan taught anyone anything... in the 80s or now.

Mind you the soviets invaded Afganistan with nearly 700,000 troops and lost - the US invaded with about 120k


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Re: Breaking Russia bombs Ukraine, UN having special emergency meeting [Re: budmanman]
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budmanman said:
Remember when Trump was gonna start ww3 with North Korea, called him a little dick man and then went into North Korea and shook his hand?


That type of political strategy is common - sometimes trolling is very effective

Oftentimes politics involves a lot of rhetoric and posturing. It's part of the job. 

The whole "Trump almost started WW3" narrative is silly.  People love to hate DJT.

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Re: Breaking Russia bombs Ukraine, UN having special emergency meeting [Re: twighead] * 1
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twighead said:
Northerner said:
Russia outnumbers Ukraine forces by magnitudes, Ukraine can't win. If we send them loads of weapons they can level the whole country before they lose but the outcome is a foregone conclusion unless someone else starts shooting at Russia.

It's just whether or not someone is stupid enough to do that.


Numbers aren't everything if Afgan taught anyone anything... in the 80s or now.

Mind you the soviets invaded Afganistan with nearly 700,000 troops and lost - the US invaded with about 120k


Yeah, but Russia aren't far from home in a land they don't understand now. They've fought on these soils before, it's similar to their lands and home base is just across the border. That's not really an apt comparison.

Ukrainians aren't specialists in guerilla warfare like Afghans. They aren't Islamic extremists. They don't have religious allies to call from around the world. Very different situation.

I would love to be wrong but I think the media propaganda engine has taken this too far. From an international security standpoint we would be better off making Russia our friends, sending immense humanitarian aid to Ukraine and sealing an alliance which includes the west, India and Russia. That way we would protect ourselves from the much greater threat that is China.


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Re: Breaking Russia bombs Ukraine, UN having special emergency meeting [Re: Northerner]
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Queue the outrage of the very thought of befriending Russia.

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Re: Breaking Russia bombs Ukraine, UN having special emergency meeting [Re: Northerner] * 1
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It's really sad because as time goes on, populations increase, supplies and food and water run short, and world war is inevitable.


All this is going to do for China is show them that it's OK to just take what they want.. like for instance world domination.

Really sad times for future generations to come, that's for sure. I mean, our environment is fucked, our geo-political situation is fucked- virus things are fucked, crazy ass rulers with nukes are fucked.


I just can't imagine in 100 years what it will be like to live here on Earth( if it's still here)

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Re: Breaking Russia bombs Ukraine, UN having special emergency meeting [Re: Northerner]
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Northerner said:
twighead said:
Northerner said:
Russia outnumbers Ukraine forces by magnitudes, Ukraine can't win. If we send them loads of weapons they can level the whole country before they lose but the outcome is a foregone conclusion unless someone else starts shooting at Russia.

It's just whether or not someone is stupid enough to do that.


Numbers aren't everything if Afgan taught anyone anything... in the 80s or now.

Mind you the soviets invaded Afganistan with nearly 700,000 troops and lost - the US invaded with about 120k


Yeah, but Russia aren't far from home in a land they don't understand now. They've fought on these soils before, it's similar to their lands and home base is just across the border. That's not really an apt comparison.

Ukrainians aren't specialists in guerilla warfare like Afghans. They aren't Islamic extremists. They don't have religious allies to call from around the world. Very different situation.

I would love to be wrong but I think the media propaganda engine has taken this too far. From an international security standpoint we would be better off making Russia our friends, sending immense humanitarian aid to Ukraine and sealing an alliance which includes the west, India and Russia. That way we would protect ourselves from the much greater threat that is China.


I would not underestimate them, I think Russia has already made that mistake. From what I can tell - Russia made good advances while they still had the element of surprise - but they have almost entirely stagnated since then.

If they have enough time to fully mobilize with help of western resources over the next month or so, the Ukranian military could stand at over 1,000,000.

"the mortality rate for Soviet troops fighting Ukrainian insurgents in Western Ukraine was higher than the mortality rate for Soviet troops during the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan"

Times are different sure, but the Ukrainians have proven they are extremely formidable in the past... Any country willing to fight tooth and nail for its existence is formidable, hardly anything else matters so much.


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Re: Breaking Russia bombs Ukraine, UN having special emergency meeting [Re: twighead]
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twighead said:
. Any country willing to fight tooth and nail for its existence is formidable, hardly anything else matters so much.



520,000+ Ukrainians have fled.... which is just a drop in the bucket to the 42 million total population...

But wow. What a massive humanitarian crisis for those who are fleeing.

I can't imagine how that many people are going to find places to live, and work... let alone right now just food, water, and things like medical care and bathrooms.

what a clusterfuck. :feelsbadman:

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Re: Breaking Russia bombs Ukraine, UN having special emergency meeting [Re: Northerner]
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Northerner said:
Queue the outrage of the very thought of befriending Russia.

:tongue:


I just think it's not good policy to align with authoritarian regimes in general, it's always landed us in horrendous situations in the past - in supporting major atrocities by proxy, or other messy political situations.

Also they, much like Pakistan - make for fair weather allies, always have. They were barely reliable in WW2 and could've easily been our enemy if they weren't directly invaded by Germany. They're much more natural allies of a regime like China that both have the strategic goal of a waning US - and upholding their own indefinite dictatorships.

On the otherhand - our main allies, Israel, Europe, Aus, etc (not you Saudi...) profit greatly on a number of levels from US hegemony, both economically and in their security situation - so they are highly reliable - and thankfully now seem to be taking things a bit more seriously than they have the last 30 years.


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Re: Breaking Russia bombs Ukraine, UN having special emergency meeting [Re: twighead] * 1
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while this Ukraine thing is going on, massive problems in Haiti, Brazil, and other South American Countries and African countries are going on. Terrible battles between police and military and "gangs" that have taken over entire cities putting entire nations into anarchy.

And of course Afghanistan. No ones heard anything about that in the news even though it was the #1 story just recently how America just gave it back up and the atrocities that occurred after that.


Let us keep an eye on the rest of the world less we misss something important while Ukraine holds our gaze. Kind of like how Gandalf and Aragorn rushed the gates of Mordor to give Sam and Frodo a chance


I wonder what China is up to... surely looking to take advantage of this in some manner.

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Re: Breaking Russia bombs Ukraine, UN having special emergency meeting [Re: Fiery] * 3
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Afganistan is doing aight.



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Re: Breaking Russia bombs Ukraine, UN having special emergency meeting [Re: budmanman] * 1
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Is anyone pissed about the censorship of this war. I don't remember voting for censorship of the press. I'm not even sure there's a war going on or what's actually happening. You can't just send reporters to say all these people are killed and not show any actual killing or tanks blowing up or anything that's called a scam.

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Re: Breaking Russia bombs Ukraine, UN having special emergency meeting [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
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I haven't been watching tv coverage but it's kind of baked into the system that the private press can censor itself all it likes.

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Re: Breaking Russia bombs Ukraine, UN having special emergency meeting [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
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MSM isn't gonna show any grisly footage, you gotta look at whatever the equivalent of liveleak is these days.

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Re: Breaking Russia bombs Ukraine, UN having special emergency meeting [Re: Northerner] * 2
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Northerner said:
Yeah, but Russia aren't far from home in a land they don't understand now. They've fought on these soils before, it's similar to their lands and home base is just across the border. That's not really an apt comparison.

Ukrainians aren't specialists in guerilla warfare like Afghans. They aren't Islamic extremists. They don't have religious allies to call from around the world. Very different situation.



There's a flipside to all of those points.

Because of that geographic and cultural familiarity, many Russians see exactly how insane this is. We've already seen public protests, in a country where dissent can be hazardous to your health. If it turns into a long and protracted asymmetrical war, the Russian military may soon find a lot more resistance from within their own ranks.

Ukraine has a very different image than a place like Afghanistan. Being professionals at guerilla warfare, with tendencies toward Islamic extremism, also means being not terribly popular. The US shared its occupation with other militaries. Biden's principal concern with the war in Afghanistan was domestic sentiments. Ukraine has, realistically, just one international enemy. And Western Europe is poised to pour military aid into Ukraine, unopposed by law or sanctions, in a way that would be unthinkable for Afghanistan.

And I'm not sure it's so very different at the end of the day, anyway. Ukrainians still have the famine and Stalin in their collective memory. Some poor redneck Russian kid, sent into Ukraine for " maneuvers" or whatever bullshit they initially told him, has his orders and some half-assed propaganda about de-Nazification.

However, I can truly say that I have no idea what I'm talking about, and almost every new development in this situation has taken me off-guard. This crazy motherfucker has started the sort of European war that I really thought we were done with circa 1950.


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Re: Breaking Russia bombs Ukraine, UN having special emergency meeting [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL]
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CHeifM4sterDiezL said:
Is anyone pissed about the censorship of this war. I don't remember voting for censorship of the press. I'm not even sure there's a war going on or what's actually happening. You can't just send reporters to say all these people are killed and not show any actual killing or tanks blowing up or anything that's called a scam.


I get it. I want to see the bloody corpses and not just on someone’s Twitter page. News is news. Just show it.

The media is way too sanitary.


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[quote]Asante said:
You constantly make posts thatr fling middle school insults at people you don't like mixed in with maladjusted psychopathic comments about wanting to beat up the other poster with a crowbar.

You know how shit you are, you just don't give a fuck for precisely that reason.

I disendorse you.[/quote]

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Re: Breaking Russia bombs Ukraine, UN having special emergency meeting [Re: ONE OZ SLUG]
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ONE OZ SLUG said:
MSM isn't gonna show any grisly footage, you gotta look at whatever the equivalent of liveleak is these days.


Live leak closed down because we can't show anything that promotes shootings or gun use glorifies war or desensitizes folks to violence that's bad for society so now we have to pay censors and Google to scrub the whole internet to protect people from ourselves. I'm sorry last time I checked thats called censorship and a violation of the first amendment our fundamental right to free speech free press and to freely communicate vital information! How are we supposed to know there's a real war going on when we never see anyone shooting or die. It's all a fake scam until they show people shooting and dying.

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Re: Breaking Russia bombs Ukraine, UN having special emergency meeting [Re: CHeifM4sterDiezL] * 2
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CHeifM4sterDiezL said:
Is anyone pissed about the censorship of this war. I don't remember voting for censorship of the press. I'm not even sure there's a war going on or what's actually happening. You can't just send reporters to say all these people are killed and not show any actual killing or tanks blowing up or anything that's called a scam.


You’re just now getting aggravated by the shit show we call β€œnews”?  …:thatsinteresting:


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Re: Breaking News: Russia bombs Ukraine, UN having special emergency meeting. [Re: budmanman]
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When will Putin get whacked?


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