Fiery said:

Let's say someone blows up America with nukes, Nato would just blow them up.

It's a lose/lose situation... Russia can't take on the entire world.

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Nah but Putin is getting up there in age though. Wouldn’t surprise me if these nuke threats are in part due to a decline in mental faculties

Or maybe he’s a solipsist

Icyurmt said:

Both Russia and China have advanced hypersonic glide vehicle delivery systems, the US currently does not. Some of those can travel up to Mach 27, maneuver and change direction within the atmosphere, and China recently tested one that traveled all the way around the globe before striking it's target. China also has the world's largest quantum computer last I checked and has been using it to model nuclear blasts. The US is not as invincible as many believe.

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twighead said:

US has hundreds of operational sub nukes at any given time, no one even needs to do it for us... likewise with Russia - hence why we ain't fighting each other. And the proxy wars continue. Honestly they're pretty profitable ventures for both the Russian and US mil/industrial/petro complexes.... It's not like any of our respective captialist classes are paying a cent, and just like the rest of the recent 'crises' it'll be us, average people footing the bill, while they make billions.

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Icyurmt said:

Both Russia and China have advanced hypersonic glide vehicle delivery systems, the US currently does not. Some of those can travel up to Mach 27, maneuver and change direction within the atmosphere, and China recently tested one that traveled all the way around the globe before striking it's target. China also has the world's largest quantum computer last I checked and has been using it to model nuclear blasts. The US is not as invincible as many believe.

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Northerner said:

Everyone now sending money and arms to Ukraine. It's like they want to see the place levelled by an all out confrontation rather than see Russia's stated objective of it becoming demilitarised.

The Iraqi people who resisted the US invasion were terrorists. Now Ukraine people are resisting the Russians. Are they not terrorists too? Are we not supporting terrorism by arming and funding them?

A few days ago Australia said it wouldn't get involved, but would send humanitarian aid. Now we're sending weapons.



Truly sickening. Very worrying. It's been a long time since people have had a common enemy, the infighting has been escalating. BLM, social justice and even coronavirus politics can now be forgotten. No need to fight against each other

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Fiery said:

Icyurmt said:

Both Russia and China have advanced hypersonic glide vehicle delivery systems, the US currently does not. Some of those can travel up to Mach 27, maneuver and change direction within the atmosphere, and China recently tested one that traveled all the way around the globe before striking it's target. China also has the world's largest quantum computer last I checked and has been using it to model nuclear blasts. The US is not as invincible as many believe.

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Yeah, that's news for me. I guess I've been living under a rock... The question is could they completely take us out before we had a chance to strike backI highly doubt that.



They might get the first waves of nukes in but then it's all out world ending nuke war.

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twighead said:

What is their quantum computer going to do about hundreds of simultaneously inbound ICBMs and SLBMs @ Mach 24? It's going to take more than a computer to counter that. Mind you the US has approx the same tech in that field last I've heard the IBM eagle is the best quantum system (and the true meaning of that term is a bit cloudy atm - whether these systems even completely fulfill the definitions of a quantum computer)

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twighead said:

How did non-resistance work out in the case of the Czech?

There are some distinct nuances between the nature of this conflict and Iraq/afgan - not saying the latter were right or justified, but the ultimate goals and rationales are very different.

'they aren't fucking with us' - bruh, they're definitely fucking with us, by whatever means they can. A lot of that isn't immediately apparent because the battlefield has mostly been informational and covert - but it's distinctly heated up lately.

What would you do in the case of Ukraine? There is no parallel in recent history as far as the US is involved... this is a country that has been subjugated and brutalized by Russia for the last 100 years.

My family left Ukraine 90 years ago amidst a mass genocide of ethnic Ukranians... everyone they knew either left, or died. Most ukranians would rather fight than see their country subjugated. And if you truly believe that the goal of a habitually lying regime as in Russia is simply 'demilitarization'  ( and what the fuck right do they have to demand that?) - that is highly naive.... the very best case scenario is becoming a puppet government like Belarus.

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Not sure which Czech you're referring to or which war as to non-resistance.

If we want to make scope of countries who are fucking with us to mean in every way we should be sanctioning China primarily. The writing is on the wall and everyone is ignoring it. That's not the context though so let's not derail our own conversation.

Ukraine certainly has been fucked over numerous times, Russia isn't a friendly nation to be enemies with. But it's a new day. It's good to see Ukraine's president say he wants to enter peace talks. It would be interesting to be a fly on the wall of such talks ever happened.

Russia has as much right to demand demilitarization of Ukraine as the US does with the scores of countries and organisations it pushes around. It's simply in it's interests so that is what it is doing. No doubt it does want Ukraine to behave like Belarus. I agree. Right now, the way things stand, with as few allies as it has, kowtowing to Russia might be a good idea. The internet exists now and the international community would not let Ukraine starve if Russia stole all the food again. Stalin's communism was truly a fuckup and no one is keen to repeat that experiment. Another house of horror.

As to what I would do... if I was Ukrainian I'd probably fight to the death, but if I controlled another power that had any real swing I'd not be swinging at all in this moment. This war has been dragging on for years and years, and when push comes to shove with China I'd rather be mates with Russia than not.

Yeah it's complicated and nasty, but we can't hashtag our way out of this or tear Russia's social media profile apart on the internet until it gives in. Russia is not fucking around and demands respect, even as a frenemy. They are a superpower and are extremely difficult to bully.

It's an awful thing and like coronavirus I think I'm going to tune out and stop reading any news about it, nor posting on my favourite psychedelic community about it. It's not psychedelic and it's not shroomy at all. There's nothing I can do anyway and politics is a mud slinging match at best even if it's just friendly discussion.

Yeatster said:

Putin coming for the original Chicken Kiev recipe.

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Icyurmt said:

twighead said:

What is their quantum computer going to do about hundreds of simultaneously inbound ICBMs and SLBMs @ Mach 24? It's going to take more than a computer to counter that. Mind you the US has approx the same tech in that field last I've heard the IBM eagle is the best quantum system (and the true meaning of that term is a bit cloudy atm - whether these systems even completely fulfill the definitions of a quantum computer)

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Possibly prevent them from launching. Everything relies on technology and encryption these days. One of the concerns it that they may have the ability to slow or stop the authorization of nuclear launch codes.

As far as I was aware Russia has had a missile defense system in place since the '60s and they are currently developing an updated version able to protect against hypersonic glide vehicles.

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Northerner said:

twighead said:

How did non-resistance work out in the case of the Czech?

There are some distinct nuances between the nature of this conflict and Iraq/afgan - not saying the latter were right or justified, but the ultimate goals and rationales are very different.

'they aren't fucking with us' - bruh, they're definitely fucking with us, by whatever means they can. A lot of that isn't immediately apparent because the battlefield has mostly been informational and covert - but it's distinctly heated up lately.

What would you do in the case of Ukraine? There is no parallel in recent history as far as the US is involved... this is a country that has been subjugated and brutalized by Russia for the last 100 years.

My family left Ukraine 90 years ago amidst a mass genocide of ethnic Ukranians... everyone they knew either left, or died. Most ukranians would rather fight than see their country subjugated. And if you truly believe that the goal of a habitually lying regime as in Russia is simply 'demilitarization'  ( and what the fuck right do they have to demand that?) - that is highly naive.... the very best case scenario is becoming a puppet government like Belarus.

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Not sure which Czech you're referring to or which war as to non-resistance.

If we want to make scope of countries who are fucking with us to mean in every way we should be sanctioning China primarily. The writing is on the wall and everyone is ignoring it. That's not the context though so let's not derail our own conversation.

Ukraine certainly has been fucked over numerous times, Russia isn't a friendly nation to be enemies with. But it's a new day. It's good to see Ukraine's president say he wants to enter peace talks. It would be interesting to be a fly on the wall of such talks ever happened.

Russia has as much right to demand demilitarization of Ukraine as the US does with the scores of countries and organisations it pushes around. It's simply in it's interests so that is what it is doing. No doubt it does want Ukraine to behave like Belarus. I agree. Right now, the way things stand, with as few allies as it has, kowtowing to Russia might be a good idea. The internet exists now and the international community would not let Ukraine starve if Russia stole all the food again. Stalin's communism was truly a fuckup and no one is keen to repeat that experiment. Another house of horror.

As to what I would do... if I was Ukrainian I'd probably fight to the death, but if I controlled another power that had any real swing I'd not be swinging at all in this moment. This war has been dragging on for years and years, and when push comes to shove with China I'd rather be mates with Russia than not.

Yeah it's complicated and nasty, but we can't hashtag our way out of this or tear Russia's social media profile apart on the internet until it gives in. Russia is not fucking around and demands respect, even as a frenemy. They are a superpower and are extremely difficult to bully.

It's an awful thing and like coronavirus I think I'm going to tune out and stop reading any news about it, nor posting on my favourite psychedelic community about it. It's not psychedelic and it's not shroomy at all. There's nothing I can do anyway and politics is a mud slinging match at best even if it's just friendly discussion.

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twighead said:

Icyurmt said:

twighead said:

What is their quantum computer going to do about hundreds of simultaneously inbound ICBMs and SLBMs @ Mach 24? It's going to take more than a computer to counter that. Mind you the US has approx the same tech in that field last I've heard the IBM eagle is the best quantum system (and the true meaning of that term is a bit cloudy atm - whether these systems even completely fulfill the definitions of a quantum computer)

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Possibly prevent them from launching. Everything relies on technology and encryption these days. One of the concerns it that they may have the ability to slow or stop the authorization of nuclear launch codes.

As far as I was aware Russia has had a missile defense system in place since the '60s and they are currently developing an updated version able to protect against hypersonic glide vehicles.

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They barely work

And it's hard to hack systems that aren't connected to the internet... you really think all of the nukes are connected to a single network?

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