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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Tripsurfer]
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Tripsurfer said:
According the the Euro branch of the WHO, Europe is almost done with the pandemic

Everybody is getting Omicron and nobody is dying

Kids (5-11) who already had Covid are now formally advised to not get vaccinated



On to next crisis, war in The Ukraine and the Russians shutting off the gas supply :facepalm:




just a little clarification from the WHO. Gotta learn how to multitask. :doublefacepalm:

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: koods] * 3
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koods said:
Jesus really? This is what you think the issue is? Vaccinated people are generally not worried about getting covid. Fear of unvaccinated people isn’t the motivation. The problem we have is we are still having to wait for the unvaccinated to get vaccinated, get covid or die until there’s not enough of you left to consume all our healthcare resources. We are tired of waiting for covid to become endemic in this country. The unvaxxed are a burden we shouldn’t have to tolerate.

It’s perfectly possible to avoid getting an mRNA vaccine if you are scared. You shouldn’t be scared anyways. It’s been more than a year with billions of people getting shots and they are very safe. Don’t be scared. Be brave. Your irrational fears are dragging us all down.

You say you’re a biologist so you know what mRNA is. You know the molecule itself is essentially inert aside from its one function. You know that its one function is to instruct a ribosome to make the protein it encodes. You know that mRNA in the cytoplasm doesn’t interact with the cellular dna. You know the spike protein made with the mRNA is presented on the surface of the cell, in exactly the same process the virus itself uses to make spike protein. If you are worried about the mRNA vaccine, you really need to worry about the RNA virus.

You are free to choose. You may not like the choices, but life is full of difficult choices. time to grow up.


Great, we're already at theoretical herd immunity levels. You don't need every single person to get vaccinated. The unvaxxed are not a burden, they are people. There's plenty of people that consume "your" healthcare resources all the time outside of covid as well, are they a burden too? Should they be 'dealt with'?

Also I think it's a foregone conclusion that COVID will become endemic, like the flu, all across the world, no matter the vaccination rates. Portugal has over 90% vaccination rate yet they are still surging heavily with cases.

I'm not scared of the mRNA shot. The chances of COVID really hurting me are very low. I'm better off being scared about my diet & exercise & other things. I think people focus too much on COVID to be honest.
The mRNA vaccine is not just composed of mRNA it also has various lipids and other stuff to help get it into the cytoplasm of cells. Anyway, my point is that current science is often wrong, we may think it's perfectly safe under current models, but there's a chance we don't know. We studied mRNA vaccines when I was in school, it was kind of a pipedream at the time. You can find articles from 2018 talking about how mRNA vaccines are promising but they couldn't get delivery right in vivo.

I get more concerned about government & pharma. Government started out the pandemic straight out lying to us...and pharma companies have massive incentives as well in this environment. I've worked in a vet pharma lab and seen how data can get "fudged" and there's already been major cases with FDA approved drugs getting recalled because the pharma companies lied and basically covered up or made up data.
Just weird things like the FDA not wanting to release the vax data they reviewed for over 75 years (when they reviewed it in 4 months) too.
I think people downplay these aspects.

koods said:
Ugh. Heart disease and cancer are not infectious diseases. To whatever degree these diseases are caused by poor lifestyle choices, the damage is mostly limited to the individual. And to a certain extent, these diseases are not preventable. (Unlike deaths from covid, which are almost entirely preventable with the vaccines)

But we do limit the freedom of business and people in what they consume. We ban products and chemicals that are particularly dangerous to health. 100 years ago stomach cancer was one of the leading causes of death, but we began to force food manufacturers to use preservatives and started serious regulation of the food supply, and now stomach cancer is uncommon.

Smoking is a public health risk. We allow people to smoke cigarettes, but we limit where they can smoke. You can’t smoke in restaurants, bars, theatres, airplanes or workplaces.

Covid is a public health risk. We allow people to be unvaccinated, but we limit where they can be unvaccinated. You can’t be unvaccinated in restaurants, bars, theatres, airplane or workplaces.

And of course, we have always had vaccine mandates. Every child in this country has to be vaccinated for diseases far less deadly than covid. If you think giving you a choice between the vaccine and your job, we used to arrest and fine people who violated mandates. The polio vaccine was developed in two years, and the entire school age population was the clinical trial which you were required to participate in. For a disease with a 0.2% fatality rate and 95% asymptomatic and a vaccine that didn’t thoroughly prevent infection or transmission and required three shots to prevent paralytic disease.


Yes and my whole point above is that covid is easily limited to the individual as well if you choose to wear a mask & faceshield...but you said that part doesn't matter.. That's not what people are actually afraid of...

Regardless, many millions of lives could be saved if You got the opportunity to tell everyone what they can eat and control their exercise regime. Many millions more than covid, do you wanna do it?

Do you think that's good practice? Make the entire school age population your clinical trial? Surely it couldn't backfire right?

How about like I said earlier, you get to live in a community where you know that everyone is threatened thru force that they must be vaccinated, and I get to live in a community where I get to choose what to do? How does that sound?

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: viraldrome] * 2
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viraldrome said:
Quote:
squrl said:

2nd can we agree to some common sense empathetic understanding why people are anti-vaxx? m


Fuck off puppet.

There is nothing to understand you people are trash


No fuck you, you don't know me. Go fuck off and instead of telling people you don't know on the internet they're trash, why don't you go get a fucking life and a sense of understanding with people. You fucked up turd of a person. You think you know everything you fucking idiot? You think you're God? Fuck you

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: Asante]
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Anyone following that mandate protest in DC?

I hope it doesn't get messy. I heard some proud boys are trickling in...:facepalm:

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: squrl] * 2
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I started in prepper panic mode for this crisis in 2020 and now at 2022 I was so close to joining the January march in Washington.

I see a government that spectacularly failed in pandemic response from public messaging to being hopelessly reactive during a dynamic evolving crisis. They've fallen flat on their face completely and singularly blaming the anti-vaxxers and even anti-maskers is beyond childish.

No. The government likely killed hundreds of thousands of Americans with criminal negligence. I'm annoyed at anti-maskers and the minority who never took this seriously since day one but they weren't in control of multi-billion dollar government agencies or companies.

  • The federal government failed to mobilize industry for N95 production. In mid-2021 mask producers in the US were complaining they had to shut down lines due to lack of demand. How in god's name was the government letting this happen.
  • The CDC failed fundamentally as a pandemic response agency by not making it clear that COVID is an airborne virus, only admitting it fully by mid to late 2021.
  • The CDC failed to keep doctors informed of early and late treatment for COVID, including uncontroversial innocuous treatments likes vitamins such as Zinc, C, A, and D.
  • Building ventilation was rarely visited again by the CDC and other health authorities. How many infections would of been prevented with usage of box fans in open windows and using HVAC filters.
  • The celebration and promotion of censorship by monopoly tech companies. It violates all tenants of freedom of speech and freedom of association. They have incredible control of information, warranting protection.
  • Public messaging with absolutes despite clear unknowns like Biden declaring vaccines provide complete protection from COVID or it is impossible for the vaccinated to spread the disease.


The vaccine only strategy was a total failure, with a possible conspiracy of suppression of other treatments and other methods of disease control.

We need to establish tribunals, congressional hearings, with criminal investigations warranted. Anything less means the United States is rapidly becoming a failed state. We need to know the truth. We have a right to the truth.

What went wrong?

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: novicepsychonaut]
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Tech censorship isnt a breach of freedom of speech, ISP blocking your home server might be close or at least I have a problem with that, but twitter and FB can do what they like with their gay sites


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For most of the normies out there, an operating system is just a bootloader for Google Chrome.

And I don't know what the mantis is praying for
But he's probably just thanking the Lord
That he don't live in a home
And he don't got a phone
And he don't sit around all angry and bored
(He's just a bug)

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: CreonAntigone] * 1
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CreonAntigone said:
Should the FDA grant emergency use authorization for doctors to start trying cannabis on patients dying of covid? If these patients haven't responded to the other treatments (monoclonal antibodies, etc).

In the worst case it would ease pain. Studies suggest it could do more.


Yes

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: spirit_shadow]
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spirit_shadow said:
I am 100% for personal choice but that flyer is disgusting.


Sorry to hear you’ve been forced to be vaccinated


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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: koods]
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koods said:
spirit_shadow said:
I am 100% for personal choice but that flyer is disgusting.


Sorry to hear you’ve been forced to be vaccinated


already forced thru his eyes, naturally i'd guess.


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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: pacmanbreed]
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https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/24/-unvaccinated-sarah-palin-positive-for-covid-before-ny-times-defamation-trial.html


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For most of the normies out there, an operating system is just a bootloader for Google Chrome.

And I don't know what the mantis is praying for
But he's probably just thanking the Lord
That he don't live in a home
And he don't got a phone
And he don't sit around all angry and bored
(He's just a bug)

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: pacmanbreed] * 1
    #27630968 -

koods said:
spirit_shadow said:
I am 100% for personal choice but that flyer is disgusting.


Sorry to hear you’ve been forced to be vaccinated


pacmanbreed said:
koods said:
spirit_shadow said:
I am 100% for personal choice but that flyer is disgusting.


Sorry to hear you’ve been forced to be vaccinated


already forced thru his eyes, naturally i'd guess.




:ancientaliens:


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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: spirit_shadow]
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I can't wait for the explanation of how I'm misunderstanding/ misinterpreting Dr Campbell referencing a new cdc study and clearly stating "vaccination doesn't make any difference to the risk of hospitalization if you've had previous infection"

No argument from me anymore folks but I think you're gonna have to either agree to SOME extent or lump Dr Campbell in w the Joe rogans of the world, which one is it lol


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Edited by JohnnyTripsAlot (01/24/22 06:07 PM)

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: JohnnyTripsAlot] * 2
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I think we all agree that natural immunity works fine.  Of course the person who has natural immunity had to have a first infection where their risk of hospitalization was 15x higher.

You really don’t seem to be able to grasp these concepts. Natural immunity is the deadliest vaccine we’ve seen since smallpox variolation and it’s contagious


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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

Edited by koods (01/24/22 06:38 PM)

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: koods] * 1
    #27631219 -

Youve been belittling everyone telling them to get vaccinated this whole thread, regardless of previous infection, are you now saying natural immunity is acceptable?

Show me a single post where you've agreed that natural immunity "works fine" please


This is thw part when you change the subject


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Edited by JohnnyTripsAlot (01/24/22 06:43 PM)

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: JohnnyTripsAlot]
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I did?


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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: JohnnyTripsAlot] * 1
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JohnnyTripsAlot said:
Youve been belittling everyone telling them to get vaccinated this whole thread, regardless of previous infection, are you now saying natural immunity is acceptable?

Show me a single post where you've agreed that natural immunity "works fine" please


https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/27523629#27523629


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NotSheekle said
“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: koods] * 2
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Koods just admit that uve said so much crap and flipped flopped so many times you've pretty much said everything at this point. Don't you think things have gotten a little silly?

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: koods] * 2
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Back to back you posted these

koods said:
Vaccination is five times more likely to prevent hospitalizations than previous infection. In the over 65 age group, unvaccinated with previous infection are 19 times more likely to be hospitalized than fully vaccinated.


koods said:
Yes everyone is going to get it. That’s why you need to be vaccinated. Unvaccinated people are the ones getting seriously ill.


I'm sure there's way worse examples I just don't care enough to look

I'm more interested the video, if natural immunity is as effective as vaccination then why are we talking about vaccination status instead immunity status?

Fuck an n95, give me an antibody test


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Edited by JohnnyTripsAlot (01/24/22 07:06 PM)

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: JohnnyTripsAlot]
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JohnnyTripsAlot said:
Back to back you posted these

koods said:
Vaccination is five times more likely to prevent hospitalizations than previous infection. In the over 65 age group, unvaccinated with previous infection are 19 times more likely to be hospitalized than fully vaccinated.


koods said:
Yes everyone is going to get it. That’s why you need to be vaccinated. Unvaccinated people are the ones getting seriously ill.


I'm sure there's way worse examples I just don't care enough to look

I'm more interested the video, if natural immunity is as effective as vaccination then why are we talking about vaccination status instead immunity status?

Fuck an n95, give me an antibody test


You do realise that the results of your antibody test gets fed into their 'worthy of living' algorithm don'tcha?


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whether low pressure sucks or high pressure blows...
it's a bugger to cycle in.

even though I'm feeling good
Something tells me I'd better activate my prayer capsule

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Re: COVID-19 = SARS-CoV-2 - Novel Coronavirus Pandemic Main Thread - PART 3 (Third Wave 2021-2022 season) [Re: JohnnyTripsAlot] * 2
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You got to add the risk from the first infection and the second infection dude. Someone relying on previous immunity has to have had a high risk first infection before getting reinfected.

Getting a little tiresome continually having to explain that reinfection is not the same as primary infection

Edited by koods (01/24/22 09:35 PM)

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