Auto-SummaryThe poster, a biology graduate with lab experience, argues against the intense backlash against anti-vaxxers, suggesting that individuals can protect themselves through various means like avoiding public spaces, vaccinations, and wearing PPE. They question the rushed development and potential side effects of mRNA vaccines, emphasizing that the natural world is far more complex than current scientific understanding. The author also critiques the authoritarian approach to safety, comparing it to extreme measures like mandating specific diets or transportation. They advocate for personal freedom and smaller government, citing historical examples like drug laws and the potential for unintended consequences from societal changes. The poster concludes by advocating for a diverse approach to governance, allowing different communities to adopt varying policies based on their values.
Hey, registered just to post here, even though have been lurking all other topics for a long time.
From the two pages I scrolled I get the sense that there's a lot of ppl here mad at anti-vaxxers..even fuming sometimes.
I wanna bring up some thoughts.
Why get so mad at anti-vaxxers? It is perfectly possible to protect yourself if you are scared of COVID. For example, if you are scared/susceptible you can avoid public places, get vaccinated, wear an N95 mask & a faceshield when you are in public and your chance of getting covid will effectively plummet to near 0. People have all the tools to protect themselves if they wish, but instead it seems like they would rather force others to do something to their body...and the kicker is that for ppl that are really scared...wearing this protective PPE out in public all the time will be much more effective (now & for any future pandemics) for them than getting the last 20% of ppl to vaccinate against their will.
2nd can we agree to some common sense empathetic understanding why people are anti-vaxx? mRNA vaccines are pretty much a brand new technology at this scale and government & pharma companies don't have the best track record for actually caring about the people they serve. Not to mention how unvaxxed get treated with people laughing at their death & gov leaders treating them subhuman...not a good way to get people on your side & build trust...
Also can we agree that there is the chance that the vaccine has unforeseen side effects? Science is not perfect, in fact many times in the future we learn that our current views of the world are very wrong. As a more practical example consider that hundreds of previously FDA approved drugs get recalled ever year due to unforeseen side effects. The fact is that the natural world, and especially biological systems are very very complex...just look at our understanding of how the effects of the psychedelics we love are explained? I think it's true that what we DON'T know about the natural world eclipses what we DO know by several magnitudes.
3rd I wanna bring up a more hypothetical question, especially for the more 'authoritarian' types or those who say they want to do whatever to save the most lives: heart disease & cancer kill several multiples more than COVID does. I bet 10's of millions of lives could be saved if the government mandated thru force that everybody must eat only goverment-mandated meals, and must do certain exercises every day through threat of force. Many lives could also be saved if you were not allowed to drive your own car freely, but instead only highly regulated & gov approved bus drivers were your only method of transportation. In short what's your cut off between personal freedom and government controlling all aspects of your life in order to keep you as safe as possible? Would you like the situation above where probably many millions lives are saved from preventable diseases but almost all personal choice is lost?
Finally, if u wanna know about me/where i come from. I'm unvaxxed and i have a degree in biology, have worked in several microbiology labs. I don't think the Jews are at fault or whatever else some people like to strawman here because it's so easy & fun to laugh at "dumb rednecks" or whatever.
As I said above, other people are perfectly capable of protecting themselves if they wish (thru masks, faceshield, etc) I don't think I put anyone at an extra significant level of harm, moreso than I do from driving to work everyday, for example.
From my experience with science and just looking at our understanding of the natural world and how it changes so dramatically I think people overestimate "the science" and underestimate the potential of long term side effects. It's also very upsetting that questioning the vaccine is so political & can get you banned from twitter or youtube or whatever. Remember this is much more politics & authoritarianism than science. Science is all about "Question Everything." Psychedelics even are about "Question Everything." I do think that probably the mRNA vaccine will turn out to be fine, but the reaction you get from questioning it is wayyyy too strong.
The issue i have is through the disgusting cold authoritarianism I see in some people, in this thread, and especially in some governments. I think most people mean well (save lives) but remember that most tragedies & authoritarians are often made through benevolent pretenses & a wish to better their society. Stuff like eugenics is under the pretense that it will improve society...
I mean just look at drug laws for an example. Drug laws are done through the pretense of "saving lives" from evil drugs....but consider what it has done to people & to the psychedelics that we (probably) love & value very much in our lives.
I think the freedom to choose what to do with your body/life is much more important than forcing people to do stuff under the guise of safety.
I also like to link to the idea that humans often make the wrong choice, or when they disturb a system it's often for the worse. You can see this in evolution too, any given mutation is overwhelmingly likely to be negative to the organism, only a small percentage are beneficial. I compare this to liberals and conservatives in our society. Liberals are the ones often pushing for changes, but while generally meaning well this can often backfire or have unintended consequences (maybe search "societal decisions that have backfired" in google) or take for example the 'defund the police' movement and the increase in violent crime in these areas afterwards (i live in one of those areas). Maybe this isn't the best example to be honest, it's just some ideas i've had. It's clear in the natural world, but I don't know how well it really translates to our societal world.
I also HIGHLY appreciate stuff like states rights. Especially in USA, for example, you can have each state decide their policy. New York can be the state where the government tells you what to do while Florida can be the state where people have the freedom to choose what to do with their body. Not only is this system more diverse (like nature!  which allows for better outcomes) but is less prone to bad decision making from politicians. Would you agree that smaller government is usually better than big government? That is that small community-level governance is much more effective than gigantic national-level policy makers? Probably because smaller governance has much more "skin-in-the-game" when it comes to how their decisions affect themselves/their own community whereas national-level rulers are much more isolated from the people they are controlling and the consequences of their actions.
I wish i was more succinct, but I hope you could understand where I come from. Maybe one day humans (you could already argue it exists in culture already) can evolve into one group where everything is controlled & everybody conforms for the safety of the group and the people who like that can live there while other humans who value personal freedom more can live in a different group 
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