Asante said:

Krishnamurti makes the error of unchanging ways.

Parts of a duality belong together and while they initially repel they shall in the end, join again.

What if a soap bubble forever parts the outside air from the inside air?

Erroneous, it is the nature of all bubbles that they will pop.

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How can an opposite remain an opposite and yet change into a non-opposite, a oneness? it would no longer be an opposite in it's change into oneness. If Hitler (was still alive) stopped ended his bias views started charities to support mentally-ill, homosexuals, Gypsys and Jews, he would no longer be an antagonist to them, he would be friendly toward them. Now It's up to forgiveness of past oppression by these mentally-ill, homosexuals, Gypsys and Jews, the popping of the bubble .

But this analogy also depends on there be an inherent existence for this Hitler as well the inherently existent other opposite beings, is there an inherently instituted place of being for any polar opposite in all the world? maybe we are all Dependent-Arisings, all interconnected with no core, no essential self, leading to a fundemental place where not only all opposites cease, but eternal-omnipresent consciousness does not go either,  like the Buddhist say? (I Imagine my God reach's out to that place, being omnipotent-omniscience and omnipresent in ways that go beyond our understanding. )

I Could dig up and flood this thread with tons of Krishnamurti material teaching how to discern and comprehend with out the conflict of the opposites, looking with out any Desire to choose (Because choice implies "opposites"), often refers to it as "choiceless-awareness", next time I run through his talks maybe I'll get around to quoting him on it, I'm not sure where to recollect on his material now about this...

saintdextro said:

How can an opposite remain an opposite and yet change into a non-opposite, a oneness?

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fandandy said:

I think there is an inherent knowledge per person based on that person's experience that causes a sensation of wrong if an action is inherently wrong to that person at that time.  I think it is mathematically impossible to pin it down though.  The world is so complex outwardly and inwardly that it is unthinkable.

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God uses the "Hallucination" of Dreams to talk to Christians, Right?

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Trypto-Fan said:

Do you believe Good and Evil are fundamental forces in the universe?

Or just human concepts that have arisen through an emergent property of our evolution and the way we evolved to co-operate as a group rather than acting in purely self interest, as many life-forms do.

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EternalCowabunga said:

The difference between psychosis and mystical connection is that one is dysphoric and marked by despair while the other gives the experience of being open, in-tune and feeling alive. These two experiences can definitely seem to overlap but there are important differences.

I would argue that if one hears a voice condemning one's self or creating fear and despair - this is schizophrenia - if one has a voice which is benevolent to oneself and promotes spiritual absorption and feelings of great personal meaning, this is more in line with a mystical experience.

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A number of studies have explored hallucinations as complex experiences involving interactions between psychological, biological, and environmental factors and mechanisms. Nevertheless, relatively little attention has focused on the role of culture in shaping hallucinations. This article reviews the published research, drawing on the expertise of both anthropologists and psychologists. We argue that the extant body of work suggests that culture does indeed have a significant impact on the experience, understanding, and labeling of hallucinations and that there may be important theoretical and clinical consequences of that observation. We find that culture can affect what is identified as a hallucination, that there are different patterns of hallucination among the clinical and nonclinical populations, that hallucinations are often culturally meaningful, that hallucinations occur at different rates in different settings; that culture affects the meaning and characteristics of hallucinations associated with psychosis, and that the cultural variations of psychotic hallucinations may have implications for the clinical outcome of those who struggle with psychosis. We conclude that a clinician should never assume that the mere report of what seems to be a hallucination is necessarily a symptom of pathology and that the patient’s cultural background needs to be taken into account when assessing and treating hallucinations.

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EternalCowabunga said:

The difference between psychosis and mystical connection is that one is dysphoric and marked by despair while the other gives the experience of being open, in-tune and feeling alive. These two experiences can definitely seem to overlap but there are important differences.

I would argue that if one hears a voice condemning one's self or creating fear and despair - this is schizophrenia - if one has a voice which is benevolent to oneself and promotes spiritual absorption and feelings of great personal meaning, this is more in line with a mystical experience.

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