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Re: Chinese Communism Sucks [Re: Nifflerz] * 1
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Niffla said:
What if we could merge the best aspects of both capitalism and communism

:philososloth:

:mindblown:



There was a man that tried to do this at one time...


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Re: Chinese Communism Sucks [Re: Nifflerz] * 2
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Communism fails for the same reason any government system fails. Inadequate checks and balances preventing corruption, power seizes and favors for 3rd party interests. Can literally happen to any nation regardless of it's core philosophies.

I think communism tends to fail mostly because it is strongly tied with revolutionary movements, and in the collapse of old systems power vacuums are stronger forces than political philosophy or civic religion, and hard to balance once power is seized. At the end of the day, capitalism and communism are just political narratives from which powerful influences draw support. Checks and balances can be established in any new government system, if the revolutionary leadership is willing to let go after the seizing.

Tyrants are a more common conclusion of peasant class uprisings than stable governments, but when checks and balances are established it's much harder for tyrants to seize power easily.

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Re: Chinese Communism Sucks [Re: Nifflerz]
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Niffla said:
morrowasted said:
Did not read thread but there is absolutely nothing communist about china, is a one party authoritarian capitalist state. And obviously so.



Isn't China pretty much universally seen by the rest of the earth as a socialist state?



Not that I know of.



I am aware that most people don't associate China with capitalism, but if I took a poll of people I know asking if they thought of China as a "socialist state", I'm not at all convinced that most of them would say yes, or even close to most of them. I can't think of anything about China that is inherently more "socialist" than my own country off the top of my head. They are definitely more authoritarian. IME uneducated people sometimes conflate authoritarianism with socialism, so maybe that is what you're thinking.

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Re: Chinese Communism Sucks [Re: morrowasted]
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Re: Chinese Communism Sucks [Re: morrowasted]
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They claim to be communist, but in reality they are authoritarian capitalists. Chinese capitalists burn their people to make money rather than burning them for ideals alone.

Then difference between a Chinese worker on bread line and an ex-Soviet State worker on bread line is very little. The absolute despair, threat of violence and death for insubordination and total suppression of communication and independence. Many Chinese are true believers in the cause as well. They believe all other races to be inferior, especially white people. We are stupid peasants, little more than animals, and we know how they treat animals.

The Chinese communist party has taken chosen parts of the Nazi and Stalin regimes and combined them.

I've had people come here to my lab from China as part of a company employee placement. They come in with heads held high looking down on us, then comes the dawning realisation that we're pretty fucking smart and not just gweilos, then they realise that we're not horrible animals and the propaganda isn't true. Within a few months we get on great, really nice people, then they get sent home suddenly without notice. This plays out again and again. The stories I hear from them... it's just insane east side. The populace is truly indoctrinated.


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Re: Chinese Communism Sucks [Re: Northerner] * 2
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Americans; China didnt outsource your medicines and other vital industries to them. America's biggest enemy is America's ruling class. They told you to "buy American" but outsourced everything to China.

If China suddenly dumped its dollar asset holdings, America would go in hyperinflation and implode.

If China suddenly enfoced a trede embargo with the US, more damage than nuclear war.

China has the US by the balls because the US elite placed those in China's hand over a profit.


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Re: Chinese Communism Sucks [Re: Asante]
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Asante said:
China has the US by the balls because the US elite placed those in China's hand over a profit.



:blueballs:


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Re: Chinese Communism Sucks [Re: Asante] * 1
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Asante said:
Americans; China didnt outsource your medicines and other vital industries to them. America's biggest enemy is America's ruling class. They told you to "buy American" but outsourced everything to China.

If China suddenly dumped its dollar asset holdings, America would go in hyperinflation and implode.

If China suddenly enfoced a trede embargo with the US, more damage than nuclear war.

China has the US by the balls because the US elite placed those in China's hand over a profit.



BINGO!!! Greedy fucking bastard asshole fuckfaced dick nosed pieces of fucking scum!!!


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Re: Chinese Communism Sucks [Re: tyrannicalrex]
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Re: Chinese Communism Sucks [Re: Northerner]
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Northerner said:
I've had people come here to my lab from China the united states as part of a company employee placement. They come in with heads held high looking down on us, then comes the dawning realisation that we're pretty fucking smart and not just gweilos, then they realise that we're not horrible animals and the propaganda isn't true. Within a few months we get on great, really nice people, then they get sent home suddenly without notice. This plays out again and again. The stories I hear from them... it's just insane east side. The populace is truly indoctrinated.



:shrug:

Edited by deucedbi9 (05/06/21 11:41 AM)

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Re: Chinese Communism Sucks [Re: deucedbi9]
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deucedbi9 said:
Northerner said:
I've had people come here to my lab from China the united states as part of a company employee placement. They come in with heads held high looking down on us, then comes the dawning realisation that we're pretty fucking smart and not just gweilos, then they realise that we're not horrible animals and the propaganda isn't true. Within a few months we get on great, really nice people, then they get sent home suddenly without notice. This plays out again and again. The stories I hear from them... it's just insane east side. The populace is truly indoctrinated.



:shrug:



I must have missed the indoctrination class in the USA where we learn that people in the UK are not smart and are horrible animals

If anything, the reverse is the case- people in the UK tend to scoff at Americans. Like, taking any opportunity to make jokes about mass shootings in schools. What do Americans say about Brits? That their teeth are gross? Not exactly equivalent

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Re: Chinese Communism Sucks [Re: morrowasted]
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crooked teeth is pretty funny tho

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Re: Chinese Communism Sucks [Re: morrowasted]
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Northerner said:
then they realise that we're not horrible animals



We’re all horrible animals.

I read a tweet once that the USA outsourced jobs to China not ideals. Anybody that whines about China should take a look around their homes at all the shit they possess. Operating under laissez--faire capitalism, multinational corporations born  in the USA turned China into the manufacturing giant that it is today. If the OP still views China as some kind of red scourge, it’s thanks to consumers like themselves that China is more powerful than ever. It’s dumb to critique China as the western world starts circling the toilet bowl of history. Everyone gets their comeuppance if the timeline is long enough. Anyway, China has been transitioning to a capitalist economy for quite awhile now

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Re: Chinese Communism Sucks [Re: Asante]
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GnashingGnosis said:
Northerner said:
then they realise that we're not horrible animals



We’re all horrible animals.



Not that I've seen, most humans as individuals are very nice and just want to get through life with the minimum of pain. Even people who act like savages on social media when you get them alone are actually pretty cool.

morrowasted said:
deucedbi9 said:
Northerner said:
I've had people come here to my lab from China the united states as part of a company employee placement. They come in with heads held high looking down on us, then comes the dawning realisation that we're pretty fucking smart and not just gweilos, then they realise that we're not horrible animals and the propaganda isn't true. Within a few months we get on great, really nice people, then they get sent home suddenly without notice. This plays out again and again. The stories I hear from them... it's just insane east side. The populace is truly indoctrinated.



:shrug:



I must have missed the indoctrination class in the USA where we learn that people in the UK are not smart and are horrible animals

If anything, the reverse is the case- people in the UK tend to scoff at Americans. Like, taking any opportunity to make jokes about mass shootings in schools. What do Americans say about Brits? That their teeth are gross? Not exactly equivalent



Americans are easy to scoff at for the rest of the world because of a very vocal minority acting like complete and utter muppets. I don't know if you guys have any idea what your politics insanity looks like to the rest of the world. It's pretty ludicrous.

Though westerners have no idea what indoctrination is unless they learn about what happens in the east. They do not understand the living realities of a one party state and all the glorious and unopposed propaganda that goes with it. They don't understand the implications of social control tools like WeChat nor government mandated business compliance.


Asante said:
Americans; China didnt outsource your medicines and other vital industries to them.



There's significant evidence to show they had a lot of influence in the decisions that lead to this happening though. No accident.
https://thehill.com/opinion/international/522784-chinas-investment-in-western-elites-really-paid-off

Asante said:
If China suddenly enfoced a trede embargo with the US, more damage than nuclear war.



Preposterous.

Asante said:
China has the US by the balls because the US elite placed those in China's hand over a profit.



Yup. Every man has his price.

tyrannicalrex said:
Greedy fucking bastard asshole fuckfaced dick nosed pieces of fucking scum!!!



Superbly executed.  :lol:


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Re: Chinese Communism Sucks [Re: Northerner]
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Northerner said:
Not that I've seen, most humans as individuals are very nice and just want to get through life with the minimum of pain. Even people who act like savages on social media when you get them alone are actually pretty cool.



I know plenty of nice, cool people who are terrible animals. I’m one myself most of the time. You’re not absolved of guilt just because you’re oblivious to all the suffering of others that makes your own life of minimal pain possible.

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Re: Chinese Communism Sucks [Re: GnashingGnosis]
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What does absolve one of guilt if just trying to not have a negative impact on others doesn’t? Are you suggesting that people more or leas need to actively working to make the world a better place?

Reads like an attack but just a curious question :smirk:


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Re: Chinese Communism Sucks [Re: Mickalopagus]
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Re: Chinese Communism Sucks [Re: Mickalopagus] * 1
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mick said:
What does absolve one of guilt if just trying to not have a negative impact on others doesn’t? Are you suggesting that people more or leas need to actively working to make the world a better place?

Reads like an attack but just a curious question :smirk:



We take for granted the underlying suffering and destruction upon which our lives are necessarily based. The higher you are in the hierarchy of society, the more exploitation is involved in sustaining your lifestyle. Without a more empathetic, all-encompassing awareness humanity is fucked.

Far too much value is placed on being nice. You can be a very nice person and still be an absolute shit.

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