MorphinTime said:

I don't know about your laws or when they were put in place but I would like to know. I an completely ignorant on your laws and situatation.

I agree that what you are allowed to hunt with is just fine for hunting, I mostly hunt whitetail and hog with a bolt action rifle. I own an old model 100 winchester semiauto .308 but my .270 bolt action is far more acurate and deadly at any range with the same magazine capacity.

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SARAtonin said:

Let me guess, another middle aged white dude “just hanging out.”

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LogicaL Chaos said:

I meant military gun tech like assualt rifles. Thats the subject of today right?

And yes, the Propoganda Wing, very important part of Big Gov.

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viraldrome said:

I'm fine with banning glocks and handguns too. I want people to have to reload a bunch of times and that fast as you can pull the trigger semi auto has to go too. Normal hunting rifles and shotguns. Targets and stuff you are going to eat, ok. Pretending you are Charlie Bronson just gets black kids in hoodies killed. 

You aren't going to stop any criminal with your gun, that's a stupid hero fantasy. You are a danger to your family because you insist on believing in the myth of self defence with a gun. If you hurt someone it won't be a criminal, it will be your old lady when you catch her cheating, or some delivery man at your door, some guy who cuts you off in traffic. Its pretty rare for a civilian to save the day with their gun, and totally not rare that your kid blows off their face because your gun wasn't safely stored.

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pineninja said:

There is a constant finding that threads itself through almost every study you can find one that transcends borders.

Less guns means less gun crime.
At the end of the day were not talking about total deaths or reasons why this is a thread about a mass shooting...one of many.
This is a gun related thread and a gun related problem.

You have to start somewhere and I think high powered high capacity totally uneccessary weapons are a good place to continue the regulation right behind rocket launchers and hand grenades.

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lowbrow said:

LogicaL Chaos said:

I meant military gun tech like assualt rifles. Thats the subject of today right?

And yes, the Propoganda Wing, very important part of Big Gov.

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Assault rifles are not available to the average American citizen.

viraldrome said:

I'm fine with banning glocks and handguns too. I want people to have to reload a bunch of times and that fast as you can pull the trigger semi auto has to go too. Normal hunting rifles and shotguns. Targets and stuff you are going to eat, ok. Pretending you are Charlie Bronson just gets black kids in hoodies killed. 

You aren't going to stop any criminal with your gun, that's a stupid hero fantasy. You are a danger to your family because you insist on believing in the myth of self defence with a gun. If you hurt someone it won't be a criminal, it will be your old lady when you catch her cheating, or some delivery man at your door, some guy who cuts you off in traffic. Its pretty rare for a civilian to save the day with their gun, and totally not rare that your kid blows off their face because your gun wasn't safely stored.

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There’s about something wrong with everything you just said.  Most of it borders on propaganda.

pineninja said:

There is a constant finding that threads itself through almost every study you can find one that transcends borders.

Less guns means less gun crime.
At the end of the day were not talking about total deaths or reasons why this is a thread about a mass shooting...one of many.
This is a gun related thread and a gun related problem.

You have to start somewhere and I think high powered high capacity totally uneccessary weapons are a good place to continue the regulation right behind rocket launchers and hand grenades.

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Why is Australians and English the first ones to tell Americans how to live?

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bodhisatta said:

I think most people fail to realize what situation America is in. People point to Australian gun laws as success stories.

Here in America where there's not nearly as many or as strict of gun laws i still have purchased every firearm ive ever owned from someone who was a felon not allowed to own it in the first place.

Make what laws you want I'm already buying black market guns because I know my names not on a list. I have nothing on my record misdemeanor or felony. Yet i buy my guns from felons....
Laws ain't going to Change shit especially for people who were going to do bad things anyway. The only people who will listen to those laws are up tight suburban white old people.

People need to separate knee jerk emotion from the desire to have legislation made. Banning anything historically backfires or has unintended consequences. Guns are illegal enough already to have made a huge black market for easy guns here in the states.

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Zyiadem said:

SARAtonin said:

Let me guess, another middle aged white dude “just hanging out.”

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Yep middle aged white dude with a Hispanic gender neutral marriage partner, living our normal pan/poly ass lives.

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SARAtonin said:

Zyiadem said:

SARAtonin said:

Let me guess, another middle aged white dude “just hanging out.”

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Yep middle aged white dude with a Hispanic gender neutral marriage partner, living our normal pan/poly ass lives.

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What?! Not you. The shooter.

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LOL ok I felt pretty attacked right there

Zyiadem said:

U.K.:

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PreparationH said:

we are not going to roll over and let democrats trample the US Constitution. 

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so whoever thinks the 2nd amendment should be amended is a Democrat?  Open your mind up a little there buddy

Lol people get so hung up on sides, its childish

Zyiadem said:

Because our police are armed to military standards in most cases and the number of people they shoot as well as suicide and gang violence as well as justified shootings.

Suicide: though tragic, is unavoidable as healthcare in the US is unaffordable at best and highway robbery at its worst. Leading many young people to take their lives instead of seeking (very costly) treatment. 19,392 Circa 2010


Gang Violence: Organized crime will be organized crime.

Police: See "Organized Crime". 20% of the self-defense incidents, the guns were used by police officers.

Mass Shootings: Although mass shootings are covered extensively in the media, mass shootings in the United States account for only a small fraction of gun-related deaths.

Homicide: Dwarfed every year by suicide. 11,078 and people still kill people elsewhere.



Wiki on gun violence

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You gave great reasons right now why our gun laws, standards, and culture suck.

Did you see the part where research shows that suicides in the US are mostly by gun and this actually leads to higher rates of actually completing the act?


we are ranked 4th out of 34 for homicide by firearm rates for developed nations with only mexico,Turkey, and Estonia ahead of us according to the OECD.  Thats a big problem considering we are supposed to be the "land of opportunity" n "big badass america" n "freedom woo".  our police shoot a lot of people but they arent why the rates are through the roof.


this issue is complex and i dont think it's possible to take away all the guns forever n ever nor do i want that at all but i dont agree with being blind and saying "but ma freedums!! Guns are as dangerous as spaghetti" is helping anybody but other people with long hards for guns

PreparationH said:

We are a different culture, push hard enough and someone may fire that first round starting a new civil war, it is taken that seriously and we are not going to roll over and let democrats trample the US Constitution.  Every cop and member of the military I know agrees with this sentiment, people that went and fought in the middle east are ready to rock and roll here too, guaranteed.

bodhisatta said:

I think most people fail to realize what situation America is in. People point to Australian gun laws as success stories.

Here in America where there's not nearly as many or as strict of gun laws i still have purchased every firearm ive ever owned from someone who was a felon not allowed to own it in the first place.

Make what laws you want I'm already buying black market guns because I know my names not on a list. I have nothing on my record misdemeanor or felony. Yet i buy my guns from felons....
Laws ain't going to Change shit especially for people who were going to do bad things anyway. The only people who will listen to those laws are up tight suburban white old people.

People need to separate knee jerk emotion from the desire to have legislation made. Banning anything historically backfires or has unintended consequences. Guns are illegal enough already to have made a huge black market for easy guns here in the states.

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