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Re: people who benzo abort a trip are pussies [Re: nooneman] * 1
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nooneman said:
Not only have benzos been standard treatment in a medical context for bad trips since the 60s, but also many people take psychedelics with benzos just for the combo experience itself. Many others drink beer or hard liquor before tripping which is the same thing.

There are all kinds of legitimate reasons someone might want to or need to take benzos while under the effects of psychedelics, and shaming them for it is wrong. It doesn't make you cool or a badass. In fact it shows immaturity and inexperience.



This.


Who the fuck would actually try to act hard about taking psychedelics.  No one gives a fuck if you eat 1000g or 2g and survive the trip without a benzo.  There are some legit times a benzo or other tranq is the smart thing to do, not just for the person losing their shit, but for the people around them.


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Nothing says love like grannies prolapsed anus!

quote]Urb said:
I know... Its fucked up... Ill fix it minyana..[/quote]

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Re: people who benzo abort a trip are pussies [Re: viraldrome] * 3
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viraldrome said:
mildhigh said:
false; you can hurt yourself on these substances and being safe when things go south doesn't make you a pussy. hate the dick sizing aspect of people that trip thinking they are the gods of tripping.


It's not Narcan you aren't going die, you'll be fine. No one gets hurt from tripping. I'm not the god of tripping, I'm just not afraid of a difficult experience. If you injure yourself on these drugs you shouldn't be doing them. If you are aborting trip after trip because its too much, you shouldn't be doing them.

Maybe you need to learn responsible dosing and knowing how much is right for you and not taking a massive dose because someone else did. Bummers are mostly dose related, if you are taking moderate doses and still having them, you should quit. That's the advice I would give to everyone. Nothing wrong with quitting psychedelics. These drugs aren't for everyone, instead of aborting admit you are likely in the 90 percent of society who have no business messing around in this space. Come back in 10 years when you grow up.



You most DEFINITELY can hurt yourself and others while tripping. Just because the drug itself isn't going to LD50 kill you doesn't mean there arent dangers.  At one of our earliest gatherings here in AZ we had a VERY experienced tripper decide that 10g was a good dose to take.  He lost his shit, surrounded by shroomerites also with tons of experience.  We tried to talk him down, we tried to help, in the end he ended up naked, spitting on me, calling me god, then getting PHYSICALLY VIOLENT with people.  We had to eventually tackle and hold him down and force feed him benzo's.  It had become a bad situation where physical harm was a reality.

Yeah, he shouldn't have ate 10g, but Ive seen people lose their shit on far far less.  Psychedelics are not the same for everyone.  Set and setting matter a fuck load.  I've taken a single of acid and lost my shit, then a few weeks later taken 4 hits of the same acid and had no problem.  Drugs are tools, including benzos and sometimes you need to use those tools.


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Nothing says love like grannies prolapsed anus!

quote]Urb said:
I know... Its fucked up... Ill fix it minyana..[/quote]

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Re: people who benzo abort a trip are pussies [Re: mndfreeze] * 1
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Ya gobbling down 10 grams in a quick is not that smart.  I've seen people do some stupid shit chasing dreams. 

Fact is it's all pretty much like datura.  People can think they are ok, but just not be there at all.  People get suicidal, have terrors, get a paranoid.

It's pretty much 100% ego to think that a psychedelic will meet expectations.  Mediation never really does, so why would a powerful plant chemical?


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Re: people who benzo abort a trip are pussies [Re: mndfreeze]
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Thank you MF! This VD guy gets so cocky and shitty sometimes.


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Re: people who benzo abort a trip are pussies [Re: viraldrome] * 1
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Thing is I take psychedelics for fun.  If I'm not having a good time then I'll take whatever the fuck I want to make the experience more enjoyable.  I don't care what anyone thinks about that.  I've never gotten anything beneficial from a bad trip.  But of course I only take reasonable doses these days, either 3.5g shrooms or 100ug acid at most.  And at these doses the benzo doesn't abort the trip if I take like 1 - 2mg of xanax, it just clams me down a bit, but I'm still tripping.


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Re: people who benzo abort a trip are pussies [Re: AmericanPsycho] * 1
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False.

If I had had some benzos during my 4-HO-MET trip, I wouldn't be afraid to sleep and generally losing my mind right now.
Oh wait, I did have 100mg of etizolam within my grasp! Lol
So my point is this: Of course it doesn't make you a pussy. Anyone who calls anyone a pussy is generally a dick
That said, if you are in a situation where you know what benzos are and you are sane enough to see the causation between taking a benzo and terminating your trip, then you are probably not having a horrendous trip
The very time when we need benzos is when we totally lose it in a bad way, but those are the times when we dont know who we are, let alone what a benzo is.
So the times when you need them most  are perhaps the times when you will not be able to use them.


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"We are led to Believe a Lie
When we see not Thro the Eye
Which was Born in a Night to perish in a Night
When the Soul Slept in Beams of Light" - William Blake

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Re: people who benzo abort a trip are pussies [Re: PoisonousLookalike] * 1
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4ho met is some good shit

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Re: people who benzo abort a trip are pussies [Re: larry.fisherman] * 1
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I thought 4homet was bad trip proof

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Re: people who benzo abort a trip are pussies [Re: viraldrome] * 1
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In a sense yeah but anyone can have a super bad horror trip.... the wrong setting, the wrong mindset, the wrong time, and the wrong people can be a recipe for a terrible trip. And it can all happen unexpectedly

Just because you haven’t had a truly negative trip yet or you have endured some shitty trips in the past  doesn’t mean you wouldn’t abort the trip if you had some Benzos handy


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Took a tab, then another tab, then somebody said to me
Nigga, why you babysittin’ only two or three tabs?
Imma show you how to turn it up a notch
First you get a swimmin pool full of acid, then you dive in it
Pool full of acid, then you dive in it
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Re: people who benzo abort a trip are pussies [Re: mt cleverest] * 1
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I see no reason a benzo should stop hallucinations unless the visions are caused by anxiety.  Antiosychotics are supposed to stop hallucinations, yet they fail at that often as well.  Those are very poor at auditory hallucinations and feel very uncomfortable.  I doubt most of psychiatries theories anyhow.

Some guys many years ago swore milk helped bad shroom trips.  After or during a bad perspective it seems any comfort is a comfort.


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Re: people who benzo abort a trip are pussies [Re: Morel Guy]
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I’m not saying I agree it makes you a pussy... but riding out a bad trip and not acting in a way that upset my fellow trippers

Like containing the bad trip in your head without saying stupid shit out loud was a growth experience for me.

Bad trips can be really psychologically informative.


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[quote]Asante said:
You constantly make posts thatr fling middle school insults at people you don't like mixed in with maladjusted psychopathic comments about wanting to beat up the other poster with a crowbar.

You know how shit you are, you just don't give a fuck for precisely that reason.

I disendorse you.[/quote]

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Re: people who benzo abort a trip are pussies [Re: Morel Guy]
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Morel Guy said:
I see no reason a benzo should stop hallucinations unless the visions are caused by anxiety.  Antiosychotics are supposed to stop hallucinations, yet they fail at that often as well.  Those are very poor at auditory hallucinations and feel very uncomfortable.  I doubt most of psychiatries theories anyhow.

Some guys many years ago swore milk helped bad shroom trips.  After or during a bad perspective it seems any comfort is a comfort.


I’ve never used benzos to kill a trip but I think they’d work well

Bad trips aren’t caused by bad hallucinations per se. although they can play a role, a bad trip is usually just recurring negative loops that make a person feel anxious and uneasy

Benzos can definitely take the edge off. It can over power the psychedelic and lessen the mindfuck. Trippiness, discomfort, etc. I’ve mixed adderal with acid before and even though I was tripping, the adderal made the psychedelic experience a lot less immersive and overwhelming. I feel like Benzos would have the same effect, albeit in the opposite way.

and i think the goal of Benzos during a bad trip is to just knock yourself out so you sleep it off


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Took a tab, then another tab, then somebody said to me
Nigga, why you babysittin’ only two or three tabs?
Imma show you how to turn it up a notch
First you get a swimmin pool full of acid, then you dive in it
Pool full of acid, then you dive in it
🌊 🌊 🌊 🌊 🌊

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Re: people who benzo abort a trip are pussies [Re: tyrannicalrex] * 1
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tyrannicalrex said:
Thank you MF! This VD guy gets so cocky and shitty sometimes.




Its hard not to sound cocky when speaking to a halfwit conspiracy believer like you. I have not been shitty to anyone in this thread, I'm just giving my opinion, and I give zero point zero fucks what you think about anything, there is literally no one here I think less of than you. 

I will never be shouted down or bullied into silence, I don't care if its unpopular to say most people shouldn't trip, I don't care if it sounds elitist either. Maybe I touched a nerve or something. Benzos give you the ability to completely ignore the consequences of your actions. You will never hear me brag about how much I took, I think even the term Heroic trip is retarded.

But still, if you are telling everyone about your XXX mic trip and you had a benzo escape hatch ready you are a bitch. You shouldn't be able to brag about that, its like getting in a fist fight and pulling a gun. You never hear any disclaimer on trip reports either like "I took 500 mics but in case I couldn't handle it I had benzos ready."

What about when a 16 year old old kid reads your trip report and decides to copy you, but he doesn't know you always have benzos on hand? You guys are helping create dangerous unrealistic ideals about psychedelics among novices. I hear all sorts of kids say crazy shit like 300 mics is supposed to be a nice easy trip because they read a bunch of trip reports where people omit important facts and they get a very skewed opinion. New users should be armed with the truth not left ignorant because you guys are too ashamed to admit you abort if things get tough.

If you couldn't handle the dose its your fault for taking too much. If it is a new substance and you didn't gradually increase the dose, its your fault if something goes wrong when you take too much. Wrong mindset or setting: your fault. Anything short of someone called and told you your mom died mid trip is your fault, but even then failing to turn your phone off is your fault too. I am not sure why people don't think the having ability to turn a bummer into a good trip is an important skill. Sounds kind of like millenials whose parents force the teacher to pass them, in the tripping awards you benzo aborters can have a participant trophy, how's that? 

People who can't handle their shit are bad for psychedelics. I don't see what is wrong with suggesting people only gradually increase dosages, getting comfortable with each new level. Its a common sense harm reduction practice. Going right to a massive dose right way because you have benzos on hand is, for lack of a better word, cheating.

Next Trip I think I am going to try and induce a bad trip just for fun.

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Re: people who benzo abort a trip are pussies [Re: viraldrome]
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Quote:
tackle and hold him down and force feed him benzo's

:lol: Holy shit that must have sucked. How does one force feed small pills to a struggling human anyway?


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Re: people who benzo abort a trip are pussies [Re: Morel Guy]
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Morel Guy said:
I see no reason a benzo should stop hallucinations unless the visions are caused by anxiety.  Antiosychotics are supposed to stop hallucinations, yet they fail at that often as well.  Those are very poor at auditory hallucinations and feel very uncomfortable.  I doubt most of psychiatries theories anyhow.

Some guys many years ago swore milk helped bad shroom trips.  After or during a bad perspective it seems any comfort is a comfort.



They don't stop the hallucinations.  They just kinda floor you and calm you down. You definitely still hallucinate, though it does mellow it a bit.  If the benzo or anti-psychotic dose is high enough it might just knock you out, but you definitely don't stop tripping or 'sober up' really.


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Nothing says love like grannies prolapsed anus!

quote]Urb said:
I know... Its fucked up... Ill fix it minyana..[/quote]

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Re: people who benzo abort a trip are pussies [Re: Tripsurfer]
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Tripsurfer said:
Quote:
tackle and hold him down and force feed him benzo's

:lol: Holy shit that must have sucked. How does one force feed small pills to a struggling human anyway?



Most benzo's can be absorbed in the mouth, even if not swallowed.  Some are designed that way for fast effect.  We had people holding him down as gently and calmy as possible, and stuck some pills in his mouth.  Then basically continued to sit/hold/etc with him while trying to calm him until it started to kick in.  He wasn't lucid enough to try to spit them out anyway, he may not have even realized we put them there. 

It was a shitty situation but IMO, if I was in his shoes, there is no group of people I would have rather been with lol.


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Nothing says love like grannies prolapsed anus!

quote]Urb said:
I know... Its fucked up... Ill fix it minyana..[/quote]

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Re: people who benzo abort a trip are pussies [Re: viraldrome] * 1
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Wow, allllrighty then! You just proved my point. Have a good one mate, you'll need all the luck you can get. Why so angry little man? I think you misunderstood me. I am all for titrating up to a certain point. I do not advocate large doses at all in here. As a matter of fact I consistently tell people to to stop suggesting large doses. What's yer beef? PM me if you like, no worries here, I'm a cool cucumber. You seem a little stressed as well.

I think you are taking my posts wrong. I agree with all this here:

I will never be shouted down or bullied into silence, I don't care if its unpopular to say most people shouldn't trip, I don't care if it sounds elitist either. Maybe I touched a nerve or something. Benzos give you the ability to completely ignore the consequences of your actions. You will never hear me brag about how much I took, I think even the term Heroic trip is retarded.

But still, if you are telling everyone about your XXX mic trip and you had a benzo escape hatch ready you are a bitch. You shouldn't be able to brag about that, its like getting in a fist fight and pulling a gun. You never hear any disclaimer on trip reports either like "I took 500 mics but in case I couldn't handle it I had benzos ready."

What about when a 16 year old old kid reads your trip report and decides to copy you, but he doesn't know you always have benzos on hand? You guys are helping create dangerous unrealistic ideals about psychedelics among novices.[/b] I hear all sorts of kids say crazy shit like 300 mics is supposed to be a nice easy trip because they read a bunch of trip reports where people omit important facts and they get a very skewed opinion. New users should be armed with the truth not left ignorant because you guys are too ashamed to admit you abort if things get tough.

If you couldn't handle the dose its your fault for taking too much. If it is a new substance and you didn't gradually increase the dose, its your fault if something goes wrong when you take too much. Wrong mindset or setting: your fault. Anything short of someone called and told you your mom died mid trip is your fault, but even then failing to turn your phone off is your fault too. I am not sure why people don't think the having ability to turn a bummer into a good trip is an important skill. Sounds kind of like millenials whose parents force the teacher to pass them, in the tripping awards you benzo aborters can have a participant trophy, how's that? 

People who can't handle their shit are bad for psychedelics. I don't see what is wrong with suggesting people only gradually increase dosages, getting comfortable with each new level. Its a common sense harm reduction practice. Going right to a massive dose right way because you have benzos on hand is, for lack of a better word, cheating.


I'm on the same page man, what gives?

Edited by tyrannicalrex (08/20/19 08:55 AM)

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Re: people who benzo abort a trip are pussies [Re: viraldrome]
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Its hard not to sound cocky when speaking to a halfwit conspiracy believer like you. I have not been shitty to anyone in this thread, I'm just giving my opinion, and I give zero point zero fucks what you think about anything, there is literally no one here I think less of than you. 




LOL, this is just plain mean and untrue (the halfwit conspiracy believer part, and you have have been shitty to posts here and there), but whatever makes you feel good.:shrug::nursemaryjane:


You caught me off guard, I'm flabbergasted! Sheesh!


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Re: people who benzo abort a trip are pussies [Re: viraldrome] * 1
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viraldrome said:
tyrannicalrex said:
Thank you MF! This VD guy gets so cocky and shitty sometimes.




Its hard not to sound cocky when speaking to a halfwit conspiracy believer like you. I have not been shitty to anyone in this thread, I'm just giving my opinion, and I give zero point zero fucks what you think about anything, there is literally no one here I think less of than you. 





You really should take in some of the posters around here. Plenty of metal illness and flat out immature asininity. I suggest you think of others less and think about growing up yourself and learning.

You are literally complaining about a different person's intimate chemical experience. 

You know what really pisses me off, mother fuckers that wear a condom or pull out, like if you are going to pound town you took the ticket so take the ride.  Apples to oranges slightly but the entire premises is ridiculous to nearly everyone but yourself.


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Re: people who benzo abort a trip are pussies [Re: mt cleverest]
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mt cleverest said:
I thought 4homet was bad trip proof


Not when you take 200mg...


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