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Re: people who benzo abort a trip are pussies [Re: AmericanPsycho]
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I've 'tripped' on very strong anitpsychotics before.  For me strong antipsychotics just make a bad trip with shrooms.  The newer meds it's possible to still get some shroomy mood changes and a good experience.

Fun fact is that antipsychotics were developed for the CIA needing a LSD antidote. So other psycadelics are affected a bit differently.  As these drugs have different nueral affinity profiles.

Only time I aborted was some bad acid that was likely hillbilly made ergot extract.  Nasty stuff!


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"in sterquiliniis invenitur in stercore invenitur"

In filth it will be found in dung it will be found

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Re: people who benzo abort a trip are pussies [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
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Bill_Oreilly said:
I've been high on heroin and taken LSD and the LSD overpowers it. Also, if I'm high on weed I will barely get high on a decent dose of heroin for me. It has something to do with your mental state. It's like the weed blocks it psychologically making you not feel it physically. Its the strangest thing.




Very similar experience myself many years ago on LSD when I was a daily H user (insufflation only) mid-way through the trip I had my only LSD "purge" where I immediately felt better and had no physical, or mental, opiate cravings for the remainder of the day (16 hours after my morning dose) and wasn't till the 24 hour mark I had about a 1/10th of the physical desire to toot a bump that I would normally have going 24 hours without as a daily (3x) user. (Body temps, RLS, worst Flu)
Mushrooms also have this effect on decreasing/eliminating craving opiates; and have successfully micro-dosed mushrooms for a week to completely stop with next to zero WD effects (really surprised none of the PAWS I've previously had back when the first time I quit for a few weeks after daily using for months)
Really is the most magical tool for me!


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Oxygen. Water. Neil Young

Our word "planet" comes from the Greek word planetes, meaning "wanderer."

"There ain't no revolution, only evolution, but every time I'm in Georgia I eat a peach for peace."
Gregg Allman

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Re: people who benzo abort a trip are pussies [Re: O_Dweeds]
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does this include Lyrica?


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Re: people who benzo abort a trip are pussies [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
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Bill_Oreilly said:
I've been high on heroin and taken LSD and the LSD overpowers it. Also, if I'm high on weed I will barely get high on a decent dose of heroin for me. It has something to do with your mental state. It's like the weed blocks it psychologically making you not feel it physically. Its the strangest thing.



Yeah exactly, but opiates do work with psilocybin right?  I've tried that once and it worked fine.


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Re: people who benzo abort a trip are pussies [Re: AmericanPsycho]
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AmericanPsycho said:
Bill_Oreilly said:
I've been high on heroin and taken LSD and the LSD overpowers it. Also, if I'm high on weed I will barely get high on a decent dose of heroin for me. It has something to do with your mental state. It's like the weed blocks it psychologically making you not feel it physically. Its the strangest thing.



Yeah exactly, but opiates do work with psilocybin right?  I've tried that once and it worked fine.




Lol, I wouldn't spit on psilocybin like that. but I'm not sure if it would happen with it as well. It happens with weed for me, so I guess it would with mushrooms?


If you do the heroin first, then the psychs will work. You just need to up the dose ever so slightly. I mean if you're in a deep nod I'm not sure how psychs will react, they might not work.


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..

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Re: people who benzo abort a trip are pussies [Re: Jenny R Baker]
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Jenny R Baker said:
does this include Lyrica?




Not sure. Lyrica isn't really a head high so I think you could do Lyrica then trip as long as you're not stumbling over all fucked up.

The more sober you feel, the better psychs work. That's all I know for sure, really


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..

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Re: people who benzo abort a trip are pussies [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
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It's not a good idea to be mixing a lot of drugs.  For one, you can be confused and overdose.  As well as become mutually dependent.

Shrooms are capable of an ecstasy that is greater than any opiate.  Nobody has repeatable facts that can always get to that, unfortunately.


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"in sterquiliniis invenitur in stercore invenitur"

In filth it will be found in dung it will be found

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Re: people who benzo abort a trip are pussies [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
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What I meant to convey was that if I'm high on weed or LSD, then I do heroin, I won't feel the heroin. Sorry if I repeated myself


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..

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Re: people who benzo abort a trip are pussies [Re: Morel Guy]
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Morel Guy said:
It's not a good idea to be mixing a lot of drugs.  For one, you can be confused and overdose.  As well as become mutually dependent.

Shrooms are capable of an ecstasy that is greater than any opiate.  Nobody has repeatable facts that can always get to that, unfortunately.




True that. Mushrooms and DMT are the best drugs. No opiate can touch it. Although they are very different. Mushrooms produce a sober minded ecstasy while heroin is a numbing type of ecstasy and makes you social and energetic and all that. Mushrooms are a totally different type of feeling


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..

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Re: people who benzo abort a trip are pussies [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
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Bill_Oreilly said:
Jenny R Baker said:
does this include Lyrica?




Not sure. Lyrica isn't really a head high so I think you could do Lyrica then trip as long as you're not stumbling over all fucked up.

The more sober you feel, the better psychs work. That's all I know for sure, really



yeah, lyrica makes me feel angry and delusional


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Re: people who benzo abort a trip are pussies [Re: Jenny R Baker]
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Lyrica is not a benzodiazepine but classified as gabapentinoid; never used it or anything in that class of drugs so I couldn't speak to any interactions. Definitely know your drugs, know your body, know your dosage.

Outside of trying Keppra for a month to control seizures before going back to cannabinoids and micro-dosing long-half life benzodiazapines (valium, clonazepam).

Agree with the above that nothing can touch the no words for god-like feeling of purity and strength produced through mushrooms. Pure Magic

I always used opiates not to nod out or get dopey, but energetic. Plus my brain chemistry is that where opiates (dosages were always kept small, except for that one time.ha) always gave me more energy than when sober, never sleepy or dopey feeling. But I never used IV and never aimed for that either. Just raw 10-25mg bump or better yet the plant itself. Also major difference shrooomin when you're on a lab produced opiate or eating/drinking plant pod. The second didn't have any negative funk/impact on the trip.


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Oxygen. Water. Neil Young

Our word "planet" comes from the Greek word planetes, meaning "wanderer."

"There ain't no revolution, only evolution, but every time I'm in Georgia I eat a peach for peace."
Gregg Allman

Edited by O_Dweeds (08/17/19 08:22 PM)

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Re: people who benzo abort a trip are pussies [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
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Bill_Oreilly said:
If you do the heroin first, then the psychs will work. You just need to up the dose ever so slightly. I mean if you're in a deep nod I'm not sure how psychs will react, they might not work.



I've tried that once with 4mg hydromorphone.  I did it first and was in a really good nod and then I took 200ug of LSD and the LSD overpowered it and I couldn't feel the opiate anymore.  But psilocybin does not overpower it for me.  So I can be nodding and tripping at the same time with psilocybin.  I like doing that because I get the opiate euphoria and body high and also get the trippy visuals.  I don't get the ecstasy from psilocybin alone like other people in this thread are saying.

The reason I was trying it with LSD is because I get shitty side effects to my body like muscle cramps, etc.


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Re: people who benzo abort a trip are pussies [Re: viraldrome] * 1
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false; you can hurt yourself on these substances and being safe when things go south doesn't make you a pussy. hate the dick sizing aspect of people that trip thinking they are the gods of tripping.

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Re: people who benzo abort a trip are pussies [Re: mildhigh]
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I see where OP is coming from. Psychs give you what you need, not what you want therefore aborting a trip is cheating and makes the whole idea of eating them pointless.

I agree with OP but only depending on the psych. i think aborting an LSD trip or any long lasting synthetic or semisynthetic chemical is fine. But if you abort a 3 hour mushroom trip, it's pussy shit. It has nothing to do with dick sizing.

I also think, that a total noob has a right to abort a trip.



Aborting a DMT related chemical is like making the roller coaster attendant stop the ride because you're scared. You got to tough it out or don't take it at all


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Something there is mysteriously formed,
Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..

Edited by Bill_Oreilly (08/18/19 03:13 PM)

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Re: people who benzo abort a trip are pussies [Re: mildhigh] * 1
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mildhigh said:
false; you can hurt yourself on these substances and being safe when things go south doesn't make you a pussy. hate the dick sizing aspect of people that trip thinking they are the gods of tripping.



It's not Narcan you aren't going die, you'll be fine. No one gets hurt from tripping. I'm not the god of tripping, I'm just not afraid of a difficult experience. If you injure yourself on these drugs you shouldn't be doing them. If you are aborting trip after trip because its too much, you shouldn't be doing them.

Maybe you need to learn responsible dosing and knowing how much is right for you and not taking a massive dose because someone else did. Bummers are mostly dose related, if you are taking moderate doses and still having them, you should quit. That's the advice I would give to everyone. Nothing wrong with quitting psychedelics. These drugs aren't for everyone, instead of aborting admit you are likely in the 90 percent of society who have no business messing around in this space. Come back in 10 years when you grow up.

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Re: people who benzo abort a trip are pussies [Re: Asante]
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Hobbit GDF said:
nooneman said:
Not only have benzos been standard treatment in a medical context for bad trips since the 60s, but also many people take psychedelics with benzos just for the combo experience itself. Many others drink beer or hard liquor before tripping which is the same thing.

There are all kinds of legitimate reasons someone might want to or need to take benzos while under the effects of psychedelics, and shaming them for it is wrong. It doesn't make you cool or a badass. In fact it shows immaturity and inexperience.



Well said



Asante said:
viraldrome said:
anyone who benzo aborts a trip is a bitch

True or false




Maybe you never gotten anxiety like they get it.




*SIGH* I get so tired of seeing a person should go all the way and face the trip and do high doses instead of a low dose etc...stated  here. Do what's right for you and don't suggest dangerous doses to people. Stop the high school bullshit statements too VD.


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Re: people who benzo abort a trip are pussies [Re: viraldrome] * 1
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viraldrome said:
No one gets hurt from tripping. I'm not the god of tripping, I'm just not afraid of a difficult experience. If you injure yourself on these drugs you shouldn't be doing them. If you are aborting trip after trip because its too much, you shouldn't be doing them.

Maybe you need to learn responsible dosing and knowing how much is right for you and not taking a massive dose because someone else did. Bummers are mostly dose related



Not true that nobody gets hurt from tripping, but I agree with the rest.  When I first started, I didn't really research much into them.  I figured they only produced hallucinations.  So I tried over 5 grams on my second time and at one point during the trip I wanted to leave and drive home.  Luckily my friend was there to stop me.


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Re: people who benzo abort a trip are pussies [Re: AmericanPsycho]
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yes I got in an accident once I had no friends to stop me hehe oh boy
Not to mention thoughts patterns can get very scary  and you convince yourself of unsettling shit like  your spine hurts, alien abduction or your hearts acting up and youre gonna die . a heart scare got my long lost buddy to quit lsd. he went to the hospital lol but to his credit it was an nbome , he still wont touch lsd tho

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Re: people who benzo abort a trip are pussies [Re: AmericanPsycho]
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I tried it once to see how it felt. Did not like it at all, but see zero issues with people using it.

I would def use some again to help me sleep after lsd


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Ach en wee ben ik de klos, met mijn boog schoot ik een albatros...

A philosopher is a person who knows less and less about more and more, until he knows nothing about everything.


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Re: people who benzo abort a trip are pussies [Re: mt cleverest]
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mt cleverest said:
yes I got in an accident once I had no friends to stop me hehe oh boy
Not to mention thoughts patterns can get very scary  and you convince yourself of unsettling shit like  your spine hurts, alien abduction or your hearts acting up and youre gonna die.



Yeah it can get fucked up on high doses.  I think the major thing that really confused me was the complete loss of time perception.  So I thought I was like stuck in my friend's room forever and wanted to go home so badly.  It was a bad setting too because he was just renting a room in a house and I didn't know those people.


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