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Re: Question about Papaver Somniferum Seedlings [Re: chibiabos]
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Actually already bought some. Got it last week.

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Re: Question about Papaver Somniferum Seedlings [Re: asdflkj115]
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I think they look fine. I think they like to be. Just at the cusp of direct /indirect... Had ones behind literally follow [the cactus shade line. Sorry for stealing your thread.

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Re: Question about Papaver Somniferum Seedlings [Re: asdflkj115]
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So I transplanted one that was about an inch or so tall to see if I could. That was two nights ago and it is still alive this morning so there is that. I do not think the yellowing leaves will recover on my others but no new yellowing has developed. The leaves lost were there two oldest sets of leaves now that I think about it.



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Edited by IgnorantOne (05/28/19 12:36 PM)

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Re: Question about Papaver Somniferum Seedlings [Re: IgnorantOne]
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Sooooo, I have thinned to just one or two plants per pot and still the tips of the oldest leaves turn yellow and the yellowing slowly works its way down the leaf. I am at a loss as to why but I assume it is because we practically had rain every day for the past month. They do not seem much bigger and summer is less than 20 days away...

Correction: They are significantly larger but still no pod or large stem beginning.

Can anyone confirm that it is just overwatering? If I leave them be will they catch up and flower or are they just going to die off as the days begin getting even hotter and longer?

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Edited by IgnorantOne (06/04/19 12:43 PM)

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Re: Question about Papaver Somniferum Seedlings [Re: IgnorantOne]
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My small poppy seedlings that i dug up and put in different parts of the garden have same yellow on the oldest leaf.
Its either because i replanted and disturbed the roots or maybe there was to much fertelizers in the soil for a young plant.
They usually become nice plants anyway.
I dont think overwatering will cause this yellowing on the oldest leafs.
Too strong fertilizers or replanting is more probable cause.

But im no expert on poppies even though i have grown some in the past.
My guess is that they will be fine just give them some more time.
If more leafs turns yellow then you might have a problem that needs to be solved.


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Re: Question about Papaver Somniferum Seedlings [Re: Mateo]
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Alright, back with a new update.

I think I have my first pod forming! All the ones I tried transplanting are dead and idk if I can get anymore started before it is to late in the year for a bloom.

The chlorosis is still happening and I am starting to lean towards my soil lacking something as the issue. From what I have read poppies are prone to iron deficiencies and ... fuck I forgot the other one.  Either way, I am tempted to put some vermicompost on top and see what happens. I added perlite to increase light reception, soil is draining well. Can poppies get too much sun?



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Re: Question about Papaver Somniferum Seedlings [Re: IgnorantOne]
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At that size there will be no problems with adding fertilizers.
Just dont put on huge amounts, no plant can take that.
Last year i put my inside grown 10cm tall poppies into fertilized soil and they grew huge.

And yes thats a pod forming.
They will develop several on each plant.


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Re: Question about Papaver Somniferum Seedlings [Re: Mateo]
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I know it sounds dumb but I am excited for the pods. These plants have given me nothing but trouble over the past two years (my inexperience causing simple mistakes and a lack of decent area to put them). To finally have some progress, even if it doesn't pan out, is awesome.

I gave them worm shit around the base which is like 1.5/0/0 but apparently extremely good for flowering plants. We shall see. I am going to hunt down a fert high in iron and ... goddamnit, why can I not remember the other nutrient they have deficiency issues with...


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Re: Question about Papaver Somniferum Seedlings [Re: IgnorantOne]
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iron fert can be easily home maden


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Re: Question about Papaver Somniferum Seedlings [Re: Feroxx]
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When i started grow poppies i had a hard time getting them to survive.
I planted them inside and they grew to 2-3cm then died, every time.
I then started to germinate them inside and let them grow to 1-2cm and then put the tray with seedlings outside.
Somehow they didn´t die when i did like that.
So i figured out whats wrong, it´s too warm inside the house or the temperature change is too much for them.
Poppies have no problems with cold but they dont like too hot when seedlings.
When i used an unheated room with window little open the seeds germinated and grew big and strong using just a 30W CFL, the temp was something 13-17 degrees C.
When they were 15cm tall i put them in fertilized ground in the garden.
I had a few die from the replant but most did make it.
I tried to be as gentle i could with the roots and sometimes just put the whole root and soil clump from inside the pot into the ground.
In some pots there were several seedlings and i had to carefully separate the soil into several parts with one seedling in each.
Some smaller was in jiffy peat bricks that i just put in the ground.
If one is very gentle they can be relocated if still pretty young, be very careful with roots.
Some might die but for me the majority did make it and grew well.
This year i just threw seeds around the garden where i wanted them.
They are way smaller than last years poppies that i started inside so it´s clearly an advantage to start them inside.


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Re: Question about Papaver Somniferum Seedlings [Re: Mateo]
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Finally found the article covering what may be my issue. Though I would share it with you guys in case you want to do some light reading lol.

"Poppies are low to moderate feeders in the landscape, providing high fertility levels can cause them to appear lush and leafy and may delay flowering. An application of a balanced controlled-release fertilizer (CRF) such as 10-10-10 or 14-14-14 with a 3-4 month formulation applied to the bed at planting will keep the plants well fed, depending on the amount of irrigation required and the average daily temperature. In areas of high irrigation and high temperatures it may be better to use a formulation with a slower release rate since higher temperatures will cause the fertilizer to be released quickly. Fertilizers that are not CRF are not recommended since the fertilizer will be leached out of the root zone long before the crop needs the nutrients.

Poppies are also prone to both magnesium and iron deficiencies, both of which appear as interveinal chlorosis. To overcome these deficiencies, it may be necessary to drench with magnesium sulfate (Epsom salt) or iron chelate.".

What I am dealing with is definitely Interveinal Chlorosis. The main "vein" within the leaf stays green while the tip turns yellow and spreads down the leaf slowly.



Sauce: http://www.armstronggrowers.com/pages/expertise/diseases-pests/armstrong-solutions-syngenta-flowers-poppy

The source actually has a decent amount of information.


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Re: Question about Papaver Somniferum Seedlings [Re: IgnorantOne]
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Should the pods be turning purple at all? Because all of mine are turning purple rather quickly it seems.

Best info I have found is this

Muppet69_420 said:
Persians and H&C oh we must not forget the popular tasmanian strain, regardless of the threes strain each are said to be ideal choices.

All of the three prioly mentiones strains of pods are small to large in its overall size. Its often that I hear small/medium pods to be considered more potent. Also the purple colored pods are said by bystanderds to be a good sign for higher potency in the pod.




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Edited by IgnorantOne (06/27/19 08:02 PM)

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Re: Question about Papaver Somniferum Seedlings [Re: IgnorantOne]
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This seems to have turned into a bit of a grow log lol. Wanted to give a second to last update. One flowered this morning and the petals will have all dropped by tonight (down to one petal left).  The rest will probably flower by morning tomorrow.

Mateo, I think you had said in an older thread that once the last petal has dropped give it another week or two to swell and wait for a ring to show around the bottom of the pod before picking. Is this still correct?

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Re: Question about Papaver Somniferum Seedlings [Re: IgnorantOne]
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I had trouble with seedlings disappearing also. A few that were mixed in with my amaranth made it.

Mine have dropped the petals. What do you do with them after harvesting?


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Re: Question about Papaver Somniferum Seedlings [Re: IgnorantOne]
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IgnorantOne said:
This seems to have turned into a bit of a grow log lol. Wanted to give a second to last update. One flowered this morning and the petals will have all dropped by tonight (down to one petal left).  The rest will probably flower by morning tomorrow.

Mateo, I think you had said in an older thread that once the last petal has dropped give it another week or two to swell and wait for a ring to show around the bottom of the pod before picking. Is this still correct?

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Nice job! :thumbup: I never grew pink ones

My petals lasted into a third day. Temps in the high 80's. I'm not
sure if that is unusual but in the past I was lucky if they made it
though the night.


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Re: Question about Papaver Somniferum Seedlings [Re: myceliups]
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Cjmckay said:
I had trouble with seedlings disappearing also. A few that were mixed in with my amaranth made it.

Mine have dropped the petals. What do you do with them after harvesting?


Stuff and things :smirk:

myceliups said:
IgnorantOne said:
This seems to have turned into a bit of a grow log lol. Wanted to give a second to last update. One flowered this morning and the petals will have all dropped by tonight (down to one petal left).  The rest will probably flower by morning tomorrow.

Mateo, I think you had said in an older thread that once the last petal has dropped give it another week or two to swell and wait for a ring to show around the bottom of the pod before picking. Is this still correct?

Two photos,



Nice job! :thumbup: I never grew pink ones

My petals lasted into a third day. Temps in the high 80's. I'm not
sure if that is unusual but in the past I was lucky if they made it
though the night.


These are my first ever success. They were hens and chicks seeds from a friend but I am not really seeing any chicks on them. It has been high 90s the past few days which may be helping cause the petals to drop. They are really beautiful flowers tbh. Seems I may get around six pods + some straw out of it. I have read alkaloids are present down the entire plant so I may cut it lower than a few inches below the pod.

When do you wait till to pick them? Also, is there a preferred method to drying them?


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Edited by IgnorantOne (07/01/19 05:59 PM)

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Re: Question about Papaver Somniferum Seedlings [Re: IgnorantOne]
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I'm growing mine for the seeds. I don't have a ton of
knowledge about that aspect.

Try this recent thread
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/26039014/page/1


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Re: Question about Papaver Somniferum Seedlings [Re: IgnorantOne]
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So I am unsure if I am allowed to post a photo of this so I will just describe it.

That pod that flowered, I went out to check on it and there are little spots of what looks to be brown oil all over the pod... This what I think it is? If so, should I leave it till harvest? Would using a piece of paper towel to wipe it off and then eating the piece of paper towel be worthwhile?

Edit: Nvm I figured it out.


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Edited by IgnorantOne (07/03/19 10:50 AM)

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Re: Question about Papaver Somniferum Seedlings [Re: IgnorantOne]
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Final Update:    Unless I feel like adding a trip report.

All the plants except one are now at two weeks since the petals have dropped. I harvested the early bloomer (whom was a bit over two weeks) to see what I had produced. I think I had chosen a good time to harvest, the pod was oozing candy and the crown was curving upwards.. somewhat. I hung and let it dry for two days then cut off the crown, about 3/4 of the seeds were fully mature and the pod is still that blueish green color.

Right after cutting the one poppy I decided to lick the sap from the bottom of the cut ... that left me feeling dull and sleepy for the entire night and halfway into the next day lol. For some reason the planty taste was kind of pleasant, followed by an intense bitter medicine taste that seemed to coat my entire tongue.

I am harvesting the stems and leaves too. They will be added to enhance the pods that I want to run a second time for tea.

Think I should harvest the rest? I kind of want to make tea out of my already deseeded pod/peduncle/crown and see what she is like. My tolerance right now is non-existant and I def have cimetidine if I wanted to potentiate.




Welp, off to look up decent tea recipes. I remember how to make the basic tea but I forget if adding lime or lemon juice aids in the extraction or is just for flavor.


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Re: Question about Papaver Somniferum Seedlings [Re: IgnorantOne]
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I think you should have waited a bit longer.
It will develop a ring in the "bottleneck" under the pod and when this ring is becoming dark they say the alkaloids are at the peak.
You should also take weather into account.
After a period of hot sunny weather the alkaloids are high and after a period of bad weather and rain one should not harvest, just wait.
I read in some earlier posts that waiting until the pods starts to get pale seemed to increase the alkaloids.
I will wait with my harvest until the ring under the pod is dark.
I have one pod that starts to get a dark ring and it´s at least 3 weeks after the petals fell, if not more.
It´s of Persian White variety, here is a pic.


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