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Re: Official Mueller report: NO COLLUSION [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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The way I'm reading the article he raped the 2nd woman, regardless of any additional consensual sex.


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I don't want no commies in my car. No Christians either.

Simulacrum
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Re: Official Mueller report: NO COLLUSION [Re: Brian Jones]
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Another woman, referred to as Miss W, said that during the same visit, Assange had penetrated her without a condom while she was sleeping.



Pathetic human being


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Re: Official Mueller report: NO COLLUSION [Re: Brian Jones]
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Regardless of the rape allegations, the ONLY reason we're going after Assange is because he exposed corruption in the Government.  I'm pretty sure everyone here understands that.


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Re: Official Mueller report: NO COLLUSION [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Stealing government secrets involves cyber-terrorism. He has direct connections to illegal hackers which the US gov is interested in.

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Re: Official Mueller report: NO COLLUSION [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
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No, stealing Government secrets doesn't involve cyber-terrorism.  And it doesn't have to include illegal hacking.

Bradley Manning was in intelligence analyst who had access to everything that he leaked.  He simply gave it to Wikileaks, no hacking required.


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Re: Official Mueller report: NO COLLUSION [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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According to the Mueller report pages 48-60, Assange was given info by fake Russian internet websites who hacked the DNC, therefore he has connections to (Russian) Hackers.

*edit: Fixed page number

Edited by LogicaL Chaos (04/20/19 01:41 AM)

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Re: Official Mueller report: NO COLLUSION [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
No, stealing Government secrets doesn't involve cyber-terrorism.  And it doesn't have to include illegal hacking.

Bradley Manning was in intelligence analyst who had access to everything that he leaked.  He simply gave it to Wikileaks, no hacking required.



Legally, having access to something and leaking it still falls under the definition of computer hacking. I believe. As long as the data is on a computer and is disseminated to someone who you know does not have the proper clearance to view it.

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Re: Official Mueller report: NO COLLUSION [Re: Kryptos]
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Correct.

In business, hacking another business and stealing their copyrighted materials (for example instructions on making Coca-cola soda) is considered illegal because of the method used is computer hacking their database.

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Re: Official Mueller report: NO COLLUSION [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
No, stealing Government secrets doesn't involve cyber-terrorism.  And it doesn't have to include illegal hacking.

Bradley Manning was in intelligence analyst who had access to everything that he leaked.  He simply gave it to Wikileaks, no hacking required.



What about the claim Julian Assange helped Bradley Manning help hack a computer?


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Re: Official Mueller report: NO COLLUSION [Re: lowbrow]
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lowbrow said:
What about the claim Julian Assange helped Bradley Manning help hack a computer?



Addressed here.
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The other key fact being widely misreported is that the indictment accuses Assange of trying to help Manning obtain access to document databases to which she had no valid access: i.e., hacking rather than journalism. But the indictment alleges no such thing. Rather, it simply accuses Assange of trying to help Manning log into the Defense Department’s computers using a different username so that she could maintain her anonymity while downloading documents in the public interest and then furnish them to WikiLeaks to publish.

In other words, the indictment seeks to criminalize what journalists are not only permitted but ethically required to do: take steps to help their sources maintain their anonymity.




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Re: Official Mueller report: NO COLLUSION [Re: lowbrow]
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According to Law, that would mean Assange is an Accessory to Cyber Crimes, correct?

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Re: Official Mueller report: NO COLLUSION [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
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LogicaL Chaos said:
According to Law, that would mean Assange is an Accessory to Cyber Crimes, correct?



I don't know.  But New York Times Co. v. United States seems related.  :shrug:


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Re: Official Mueller report: NO COLLUSION [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Definitely. How does one expose government secrets using the 1st Amendment without getting in trouble by the government?

How does someone disclose top secret info legally?

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Re: Official Mueller report: NO COLLUSION [Re: koods]
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koods said:
The intercept is garbage. Glenn Greenwald is an Assange lackey.



Here's why koods hates Glenn Greenwald:

Robert Mueller Did Not Merely Reject the Trump-Russia Conspiracy Theories. He Obliterated Them.
Glenn Greenwald
18 April 2019
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Mueller, in addition to concluding that evidence was insufficient to charge any American with crimes relating to Russian election interference, also stated emphatically in numerous instances that there was no evidence – not merely that there was insufficient evidence to obtain a criminal conviction – that key prongs of this three-year-old conspiracy theory actually happened. As Mueller himself put it: “in some instances, the report points out the absence of evidence or conflicts in the evidence about a particular fact or event.”
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so vacant is the Mueller investigation when it comes to supporting any of the prevailing conspiracy theories that it did not find even a single American whom it could indict or charge with illegally working for Russia, secretly acting as a Russian agent, or conspiring with the Russians over the election – not even Carter Page. That means that even long-time Russiagate skeptics such as myself over-estimated the level of criminality and conspiracy evidence that Robert Mueller would find.



A very good read.


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Re: Official Mueller report: NO COLLUSION [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
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LogicaL Chaos said:
How does one expose government secrets using the 1st Amendment without getting in trouble by the government?

How does someone disclose top secret info legally?



Wikileaks can publish it legally, though Bradley Manning could (and did) get in trouble for handing it to Wikileaks.


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Re: Official Mueller report: NO COLLUSION [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
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Yup. It's not illegal to publish the data, but your source, in this case Chelsea Manning, is a criminal subject to the law. It's why journalists can refuse to reveal sources during a criminal investigation.

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Re: Official Mueller report: NO COLLUSION [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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I bet the news coming out about Assange will be very intriguing :strokebeard:

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Re: Official Mueller report: NO COLLUSION [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
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LogicaL Chaos said:
I bet the news coming out about Assange will be very intriguing :strokebeard:



Honestly? I expect something along the lines of "Assange found in hotel room, shot in head" within the next week.

His testimony could potentially hurt both Putin and Trump. Both people famous for not taking any chances.

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Re: Official Mueller report: NO COLLUSION [Re: Kryptos]
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I think the UK or US gov is protecting him from such attacks since his info is so vauble to alleged ongoing investigation mentioned in the Mueller Report as "Harm to Ongoing Matter".

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Re: Official Mueller report: NO COLLUSION [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
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Quote:
  also stated emphatically in numerous instances that there was no evidence



The very next sentence

Quote:
in some instances, the report points out the absence of evidence or conflicts in the evidence about a particular fact or event.”
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So there was evidence of collusion.


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