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Weight of mushrooms or weight of psilocybin?
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This may be a stupid question, or one that has been talked over 1000 times already. If so, I am very sorry...

Lets say somebody gets caught growing mushrooms. The cops take in the mushrooms/mycelium as evidence. They weigh the shrooms you had (fresh, dry, weight of mycelium, whatever it is you have lying around) and charge you with having X oz. of illegal Psilocybin Mushrooms. Now, can you argue that since in most of the state laws they only say Psilocybin and Psilocyn are illegal, that they should not include the weight of the surrounding mushroom matter in their X oz. charge against you? As in, i assume if you weigh the Psilocyn or Psilocybin, it comes out to be something extremely small compared to the weight including the rest of the mushroom/mycelium matter. I'd much rather see my friend in California Bobby-O charged with having 0.00004 oz of illegal Psilocybin then like 2 pounds, etc. I thought about this with weed, but i think with weed it is different because Marajana is listed as illegal, not the THC. Any input would be greatly appreciated...

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Re: Weight of mushrooms or weight of psilocybin? [Re: chewieu]
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As far as i'm aware, they deal with sentencing by the weight of the carrier...


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Re: Weight of mushrooms or weight of psilocybin? [Re: Randolph_Carter]
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lol randolph...yeah, don't be fat or you'll get a bad sentence.

dude...they aren't going to extract psilocybin from the mushrooms they take. if it is even possible it would take time and money, something they aren't going to invest in if they can just charge your for X amount of ounces, etc.

i wonder if anybody tried to make the defense that their mushrooms were weighed at one ounce while their true psilocybin weight was under a gram or whatever? you know...to try to lighten the load of the possession charge...that would be interesting.


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Re: Weight of mushrooms or weight of psilocybin? [Re: TODAY]
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that's the point. i'm not saying this would get you off. i'm saying, however, that it might be a possible defense. again - 0.0002 oz of illegal drug is a fuckload better then being charged with 4 oz. And the burden of proving how much Psilocybin you had is on them. So if they can't figure out for certain... well maybe it gives your defense lawyer a bit more room to move with.

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Re: Weight of mushrooms or weight of psilocybin? [Re: chewieu]
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that's a good idea chewieu


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Re: Weight of mushrooms or weight of psilocybin? [Re: TODAY]
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where I'm from they will take into account weather your mushrooms are dry or not.
If wet they will divide the weight by ten and charge you for this amount but if growing, you're fucked either way... they will weigh the mycelium mass including grain, bulk anything and everything the mycelium may be growing on.
But none of that weight really matters, the weight only matters for possesion, you're manufacturing, you're fucked.

Good luck
Peace - @cro


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Re: Weight of mushrooms or weight of psilocybin? [Re: @cro]
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well i know for weed weight matters in production and sale in the state of PA where my friend Lazy Bob grows:


Sale or Cultivation:
Sale of 30 g or less misdemeanor 30 days $500
31 g to 1,000 lbs felony 5 years $15,000
More than 1,000 lbs felony 10 years $100,000

So i was thinking maybe there was something similar for shrooms since they are also Schedule 1... at least in some states. Hell, even if it helps you drop down to that lowest level, ie. "Sale of 30 g or less misdemeanor 30 days $500 " or the equivalent for shrooms.

But again, who knows.

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Re: Weight of mushrooms or weight of psilocybin? [Re: chewieu]
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here :smile:
above is a link to a post i made a while back on the same subject, basically 50 grams of pure psilocin (some 50,000 doses or somthing) and 50 grams of fresh mushrooms (about 1 or 2 doses) are the same in the eyes of the law


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Re: Weight of mushrooms or weight of psilocybin? [Re: ZippoZ]
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Thanks Zippoz... is that the same for every state? How did you find that out? I guess there goes that idea... sigh. I was getting excited too ;-)

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Re: Weight of mushrooms or weight of psilocybin? [Re: ZippoZ]
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I have in my hands a Lab Sheet of the Department of Forensic Science that will be presented as evidence against me. They caught me with a ziplog bag containing 20 mushrooms top: Hawaiian and golden teacher. The report indicates that this 300-400 grams of fresh mushrooms contained :

Psilocyn (Schedule I), 0.928 gram of material.

Consider that they did the forensic analysis almost 6 month after they had them, and they where already a Gray/Black material, as described in the report, so a lot of the psylocyn was lost. Do the math of how much pure psylocyn makes a dose.

Are you implying that there were 50000 doses in 20 units of mushrooms (about 300-400 grams of fresh mashrooms)???

May be you meant doses for insects.


So your numbers, that 50 grams of pure psilocin would do 50,000 doses are absolutely fucked up. I don?t know how someone can post something so far from reality and so misleading that could actually cause harm, excess of unnecessary worry to someone in trouble.

Any way, I need to know formally, how much grams constitute a dose.


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Edited by cuatiklad (12/01/05 12:05 PM)

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Re: Weight of mushrooms or weight of psilocybin? [Re: cuatiklad]
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BTW,

Psilocyn (Schedule I), 0.928 gram of material.

It is all that appears in the report. They didn?t consider the myc, and they had A LOT. They didn?t consider any other substance in the mushroom, the report doesn?t even say how mush fresh mushrooms were analyzed>


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I have become so obsess with sterility that I have come to the point of eating my meal in a glovebox, which for obvious reasons will eventually lead me to death.

Would I become sterile if I swallow a can of Lysol? I wrote them an email but they wouldn't answer?

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Re: Weight of mushrooms or weight of psilocybin? [Re: cuatiklad]
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That's a shitty report. Almost 1g of psilocin in fewer than 20 mushrooms? Are we talking man-sized shrooms?

Psiloc(yb)in dosage according to TIHKAL: 10-20mg ( http://www.erowid.org/library/books_online/tihkal/tihkal18.shtml ).

50g = 50,000mg
50,000mg / 20mg = 2500 doses

Their lab report was wrong. Use that in your trial.

I don't know of any instances when the amount of a drug was calculated in any other way than as the total weight of drug + carrier for sentencing purposes. If you have 5g of a white powder that was sold as cocaine, that's 5g of cocaine in the eyes of the law even if it's only 1% pure. In fact, even if it's 0% cocaine, if it's sold as cocaine, it is treated the same way in the law. The weight of LSD includes the paper, gel, sugar cube, or liquid which far outweighs the actual LSD in there.

Drug law is ridiculous.

Edited by ChuangTzu (12/01/05 12:19 PM)

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Re: Weight of mushrooms or weight of psilocybin? [Re: ChuangTzu]
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This is the report of about 200-400 freshh grams of mushrooms in a plastic ziplog bag. There were a lot of little ones, really light, and some very big ones. It says gray/black material because the shrooms were probably oxidized by the time they did the analysis. As you see, I'm not full of bullshit:


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I have become so obsess with sterility that I have come to the point of eating my meal in a glovebox, which for obvious reasons will eventually lead me to death.

Would I become sterile if I swallow a can of Lysol? I wrote them an email but they wouldn't answer?

Edited by cuatiklad (12/01/05 01:40 PM)

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Re: Weight of mushrooms or weight of psilocybin? [Re: cuatiklad]
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Posted by: scooby123
2004-10-07 18:23:33
Correction needed?

According to Paul Stamets - Psylocibin mushrooms of the world (c)1996 Page 39
P. Azurescens has 1.78% psilocybin and and .38% psilocin by dry weight
P. Cyanescens has .85% psilocybin, and .36% psilocin by dry weight

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According to the post above, 1 gram of dry material (aprox 10 grams of wet material) should contain:

(0.38% * 1gram)/100 = 0.0038 grams (3.8 milligrams) of psilocyn

Acording to the magic mushroom calculator, 1 gram of dry material should contain:

0.0005 grams (0.5 milligrams) of psilocyn


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I have become so obsess with sterility that I have come to the point of eating my meal in a glovebox, which for obvious reasons will eventually lead me to death.

Would I become sterile if I swallow a can of Lysol? I wrote them an email but they wouldn't answer?

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Re: Weight of mushrooms or weight of psilocybin? [Re: cuatiklad]
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Wow.... that is way off.


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Re: Weight of mushrooms or weight of psilocybin? [Re: Koala Koolio]
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man im so confused......SO waht is the correct statement for measurements of Psylocibin?


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Re: Weight of mushrooms or weight of psilocybin? [Re: ShroomArtist84]
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It gets better. Every source I find says completely different things.

Any expert in this matter?


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I have become so obsess with sterility that I have come to the point of eating my meal in a glovebox, which for obvious reasons will eventually lead me to death.

Would I become sterile if I swallow a can of Lysol? I wrote them an email but they wouldn't answer?

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Re: Weight of mushrooms or weight of psilocybin? [Re: cuatiklad]
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Damnit, I fell for it again....  This thread was started in the middle of last year.  :mad:

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Re: Weight of mushrooms or weight of psilocybin? [Re: ChuangTzu]
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the discussion is useful for people that will suffer the same problem.


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I have become so obsess with sterility that I have come to the point of eating my meal in a glovebox, which for obvious reasons will eventually lead me to death.

Would I become sterile if I swallow a can of Lysol? I wrote them an email but they wouldn't answer?

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