MadValley said:

Vibe_Enthusiast said:

What is this tongue language we speak of?

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Sabnock said:

MadValley said:

Sabnock said:

I do think people should be using these tools for a higher purpose.

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Just to weigh in... Just as not everybody can be a brain surgeon or an electrician or a physicist not everybody is either seeking nor can make sense of the things you see as a "higher purpose". These chemicals bring out our preconceptions - witness the myriad threads on religion and "ego death". If you live with Jesus every day, damn if he doesn't show up in your trips. By pushing a higher purpose people who are not - deeply - open to that concept are going to feel left behind or that they are missing out on something. Something they may not be equipped, for any number of reasons, to handle.

They are tools, but they're not hammers so each user must get out of them what is best for that individual and for every you or I seeking to learn something there is also somebody who just really wants to understand what they're saying when you play the White Album backwards.

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Idk, other people definitely seem to not have a clear picture of things when they dive in, some do seem to get deluded. I've had some things show up in my trips, but i've always been clear, sober-like, it's been honest and not the least bit delusional, but then again i approach it more from a scientific mindset but am open, receptive, and discerning. This stuff shows me the truths of things, i can certainly see where people may fall into their own mind traps though, i guess not everyone is capable of using these tools in a more non-biased way. I go in without any bias or preconceptions, i'm not attached to any belief system, i just go in and deal with the raw data of direct experience and make of it what i will, come to the conclusions that make sense to me.

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LosTresOjos said: You know how to use these tools and we don't. We get it already. You go into trips with no bias? You've detailed your bias here in the thread.

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Enkidu said: How ironically we say others judge while handing out judgement

Your description of others, is that not a judgement...? That they are closed minded sheeple who are sleeping and stay in ignorant dreams...?

Just to ponder feeling a bit philosophical

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Enkidu said: I think replicated the setting and "setting the set" with the music as my familiar catalyst, allows me to go to a similar place.

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Sabnock said:

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Enkidu said: How ironically we say others judge while handing out judgement

Your description of others, is that not a judgement...? That they are closed minded sheeple who are sleeping and stay in ignorant dreams...?

Just to ponder feeling a bit philosophical

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I don't judge, i just know where i've been and am, and where a lot of people are coming from, and based on the realizations and understandings and wisdom and knowledge that i and many others have come to from within ourselves, i'm saying that from my perspective, people are not where they need to be, or are not focusing on whats truly important, or are not doing the necessary deep internal work that needs to be done, i realize that people are absorbed in their own little worlds but there is a common ground that we all can connect on that will provide us with the Light to defeat the dark and ultimately to make of this world whatever we want. I want people to become enlightened, i want people to see all the potential, i want people to focus on bigger and better things, i want people to see what's right in front of them they are currently too unaware to see. It has nothing to do with judgement, and everything to do with trying to get people to the point of being able to see.

"It is high time that we realized that it is pointless to praise the light and preach it if nobody can see it. It is much more needful to preach the art of seeing." ~ Carl G. Jung

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Enkidu said: I think replicated the setting and "setting the set" with the music as my familiar catalyst, allows me to go to a similar place.

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Indeed, i've noticed the same thing.

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Sabnock said:

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LosTresOjos said: You know how to use these tools and we don't. We get it already. You go into trips with no bias? You've detailed your bias here in the thread.

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Lol, you know nothing about me or how i approach these tools, but i know very well how most seem to approach these tools and it's no wonder they're not getting good results and not getting the understanding/wisdom/knowledge that they really do need. Humans are fucked, i'm starting to see more and more each day how better off this planet would be without a bunch of blind and mindless Humans running amok causing chaos. Humans are the dumbest, but can be the smartest, animal on this planet, and every day it's just more confirmation that nothing will ever truly change and people will remain blind and ignorant of the deep truths within all of us, that's right in front of our eyes, yet few ever seem to see it.

Take that however you want, just know, it's very painful seeing all the potential and being enlightened/awakened/illuminated and seeing your fellow Humans all fucked up, and no matter how hard you try to open their eyes, get them to understand, or show/teach them, they prefer and choose to remain in ignorance. And they judge, rather than learning a thing or two, oh boy do they judge lmfao.

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tyrannicalrex said:

Self righteous much?

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Enkidu said:

Sabnock is a boss.

He's been through a lot and has put in some serious work.

Noone is perfect.

We can all learn from each other and sabnock does have a wealth of knowledge and wisdom under his belt

From my experience of his posts

Yeah not everyone is ready for the deep end but I think is point is there is a lot there once you gained some comfort and experience in shallower waters

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LosTresOjos said:

Enkidu said:

Sabnock is a boss.

He's been through a lot and has put in some serious work.

Noone is perfect.

We can all learn from each other and sabnock does have a wealth of knowledge and wisdom under his belt

From my experience of his posts

Yeah not everyone is ready for the deep end but I think is point is there is a lot there once you gained some comfort and experience in shallower waters

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  I'm not saying he's not knowledgeable at all, hell I agree with most of what he says but his method of use is his alone no one else's. He belittles those that choose not to go deep on high doses.

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LosTresOjos said: He belittles those that choose not to go deep on high doses.

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tyrannicalrex said:

I agree with this. To say it in the way he says it seems hypocritical and self righteous to the point he's making though, IMHE.
This statement in particular:
Humans are fucked, i'm starting to see more and more each day how better off this planet would be without a bunch of blind and mindless Humans running amok causing chaos. Humans are the dumbest, but can be the smartest, animal on this planet, and every day it's just more confirmation that nothing will ever truly change and people will remain blind and ignorant of the deep truths within all of us, that's right in front of our eyes, yet few ever seem to see it.

This is deep enlightenment and cosmic universal truth and love?

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LosTresOjos said:

Sabnock said:

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Enkidu said: How ironically we say others judge while handing out judgement

Your description of others, is that not a judgement...? That they are closed minded sheeple who are sleeping and stay in ignorant dreams...?

Just to ponder feeling a bit philosophical

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I don't judge, i just know where i've been and am, and where a lot of people are coming from, and based on the realizations and understandings and wisdom and knowledge that i and many others have come to from within ourselves, i'm saying that from my perspective, people are not where they need to be, or are not focusing on whats truly important, or are not doing the necessary deep internal work that needs to be done, i realize that people are absorbed in their own little worlds but there is a common ground that we all can connect on that will provide us with the Light to defeat the dark and ultimately to make of this world whatever we want. I want people to become enlightened, i want people to see all the potential, i want people to focus on bigger and better things, i want people to see what's right in front of them they are currently too unaware to see. It has nothing to do with judgement, and everything to do with trying to get people to the point of being able to see.

"It is high time that we realized that it is pointless to praise the light and preach it if nobody can see it. It is much more needful to preach the art of seeing." ~ Carl G. Jung

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Enkidu said: I think replicated the setting and "setting the set" with the music as my familiar catalyst, allows me to go to a similar place.

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Indeed, i've noticed the same thing.

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  Enlightenment? You think you've achieved this? Claiming your not judging then in the same breathe start judging.
  Please explain one of the truths revealed to you through psychedelic journey?

  And on who's authority are you an authority on psychedelics? Seems really egotistical of you to claim such knowledge.

  From your perspective you've acquired, realizations, understanding, wisdom and knowledge. You say people are not where they should be. Again, plea to authority.

  You are literally trying to tell people that they are using a screwdriver as a pick and not for screws. It's ok, the square box doesn't need to fit into the triangle hole.

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