I can get into what message you are trying to convey, but you are going about it like a devout christian holier than thou "my way is the best and only way" person. I too want some people I know to "go there" and see/realize what lies behind the veil. I can not nor do I want to make them. I can only provide the path and means. Life does not have to be so serious ALL the time and have deep hidden truths that are reached by deep inner journey's and reflection through drugs/mushrooms/psychedelics or just plain self reflection and/or meditation. Life can just be fun a lot of the time and I feel like because people do take things so seriously it is/can be a detriment to their mental and physical well being. But then again, I'm a goofy bastard a lot of the time.

Sabnock said:

tyrannicalrex said:

I agree with this. To say it in the way he says it seems hypocritical and self righteous to the point he's making though, IMHE.
This statement in particular:
Humans are fucked, i'm starting to see more and more each day how better off this planet would be without a bunch of blind and mindless Humans running amok causing chaos. Humans are the dumbest, but can be the smartest, animal on this planet, and every day it's just more confirmation that nothing will ever truly change and people will remain blind and ignorant of the deep truths within all of us, that's right in front of our eyes, yet few ever seem to see it.

This is deep enlightenment and cosmic universal truth and love?

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You wanna know how i got like that? Take a look in the mirror pal. Humans, i had hope for em', but not so much these days..........

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Sabnock said:

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LosTresOjos said: He belittles those that choose not to go deep on high doses.

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No, i just see/realize/know/understand the potential and what people have within themselves that most people, apparently, don't know about. I'm trying to get people to understand that there's a fucking goldmine within themselves that is way more valuable than anything else, imo, and people can't see it, it's really frustrating. I'm not the only one, many others have been where i am, thing is, they realize it's no use in trying to help others become aware, because people don't want to become aware.

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Enkidu said:

Honestly I just think you guys are taking what sabnock is saying the wrong way

He just knows human potential and wants to see others realize some of what he has realized.

He wants for others what they don't even know is possible or exists.

It's not a bad thing

Sabnock, they just want you to realize others do as they please and what feels right to them

People move at their own pace

Everyone satisfied now ?

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tyrannicalrex said:

I can get into what message you are trying to convey, but you are going about it like a devout christian holier than thou "my way is the best and only way" person. I too want some people I know to "go there" and see/realize what lies behind the veil. I can not nor do I want to make them. I can only provide the path and means. Life does not have to be so serious ALL the time and have deep hidden truths that are reached by deep inner journey's and reflection through drugs/mushrooms/psychedelics or just plain self reflection and/or meditation. Life can just be fun a lot of the time and I feel like because people do take things so seriously it is/can be a detriment to their mental and physical well being. But then again, I'm a goofy bastard a lot of the time.

Sabnock said:

tyrannicalrex said:

I agree with this. To say it in the way he says it seems hypocritical and self righteous to the point he's making though, IMHE.
This statement in particular:
Humans are fucked, i'm starting to see more and more each day how better off this planet would be without a bunch of blind and mindless Humans running amok causing chaos. Humans are the dumbest, but can be the smartest, animal on this planet, and every day it's just more confirmation that nothing will ever truly change and people will remain blind and ignorant of the deep truths within all of us, that's right in front of our eyes, yet few ever seem to see it.

This is deep enlightenment and cosmic universal truth and love?

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You wanna know how i got like that? Take a look in the mirror pal. Humans, i had hope for em', but not so much these days..........

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This is the conclusion your deep deep journey's have brought you to? Seems pretty negative to me.

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Sabnock said:

Enkidu said:

Honestly I just think you guys are taking what sabnock is saying the wrong way

He just knows human potential and wants to see others realize some of what he has realized.

He wants for others what they don't even know is possible or exists.

It's not a bad thing

Sabnock, they just want you to realize others do as they please and what feels right to them

People move at their own pace

Everyone satisfied now ?

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I agree, and i want everyone to do what feels right for them, i just want them to get over the fear and stop being afraid of higher dosages and their own minds, and to use these tools for wiser/more mature reasons, i mean there's a lot of valuable stuff within us, and people need to know about it. I don't expect people to share my experiences, i'm just saying that there are commonalities based on the Human hardware that is common to us all and it's that information that people need to know about so they can break out of all the bullshit illusions and distractions and deceptions and get to the real.

"Death is the goal for the real Gnostic who is practicing seriously. whether that person is called Gnostic, Buddhist, Muslim, Hindu, or Christian is irrelevant. By Gnostic, we mean someone who is acquiring conscious spiritual experience/knowledge. For that person, their spiritual process is a process of dying, not physically, but psychologically. Real spiritual work is a continual process of radical psychological death, in which all that is illusion, all that is false, dies, and what is born is truth, and cognizance of what is real."

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Enkidu said:

Reach our potential as opposed to squander it

A lot of "evil" forces and corruption at work against that.

Cycles we rise, we fall, it's a mysterious place this is.

People have forces against them keeping then asleep. Our desires and nature used against us in the worst way for power and control.

Waking up is a scary game. It can be hard work.

Some people can live good lives and reach their full potential without psychedelics I believe.

Our journeys are individual

Lots of people making positive impacts without ever touching psychedelics or doing that deep work

Lots of good people even

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LosTresOjos said:

How old are sab? Seem very idealistic. Lol you remind me of a younger, rougher me.

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Sabnock said:

When you run into as many clueless people as i have, and i'm sure many others have as well, you'll understand why it's so frustrating a lot of the time, people won't understand anything until they experience it for themselves.

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tyrannicalrex said:

Sabnock said:

When you run into as many clueless people as i have, and i'm sure many others have as well, you'll understand why it's so frustrating a lot of the time, people won't understand anything until they experience it for themselves.

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hmmm, a bit grandiose, and self righteousness. Not a judgement, just an observation IMHE.

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tyrannicalrex said:

Sabnock said:

When you run into as many clueless people as i have, and i'm sure many others have as well, you'll understand why it's so frustrating a lot of the time, people won't understand anything until they experience it for themselves.

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hmmm, a bit grandiose, and self righteousness. Not a judgement, just an observation IMHE.

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LosTresOjos said:

Happy birthday to ya. Man, a cake? Hell yeah.

Shoot tomorrow is Friday! Cakes all around.
Do you do birthday trips? I've never personally.

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