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Bumbaa said: I wonder what type of language you speak. I am wondering if everybody speaks the same tongues language past a certain point or everybody has a different one depending on their soul. This what confuses me, I assume that essentially everybody has a soul language, and it may vary from people to people on how refined it is.

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Sabnock said:

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Bumbaa said: I wonder what type of language you speak. I am wondering if everybody speaks the same tongues language past a certain point or everybody has a different one depending on their soul. This what confuses me, I assume that essentially everybody has a soul language, and it may vary from people to people on how refined it is.

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I'm not sure what it is, but it's definitely some sort of shamanic soul/spirit speak, that's for sure. It often times sounds very spanish-like, maybe with some like itallian thrown in, but it definitely sounds like some sort of legit/authentic/genuine language and i hope to record it from now on if i can manage to do it before things really start up lol. Like my accent changes, when i try to speak this weird language comes out, i say certain words that i know but they're in the other language and idk it all just sounds like a real language, maybe not one that is spoken today but like some sort of long lost language or maybe it's just different for each person, idk. But it's a very very very interesting experience to have and i really wish more people could hear me when i get like that lol, it does not at all sound like gibberish, i can't even replicate it in my sober state, i try and then it sounds like absolute gibberish, but when i feel that "holy spirit" lol, shit's legit lol.

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tyrannicalrex said:

I don't see where I judged or criticized in any of my posts. I was merely suggesting some form of harm reduction in reference to your adamantly high dose suggestions.


if people were actually educated on how to more properly approach these tools, they wouldn't freak out and have negative consequences

I do not believe this is true.

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Bumbaa said: I understand. I also get it that you want to show it to the world but I wouldn't. It's to intricate and I doubt that is a language that can be spoken alone without high level of consciousness.

When you speak is it in correlation with what is happening? Is the language bounded to what you experience? Does it only happen when you feel the "click" connection to what ever it is.

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Sabnock said:

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Bumbaa said: I understand. I also get it that you want to show it to the world but I wouldn't. It's to intricate and I doubt that is a language that can be spoken alone without high level of consciousness.

When you speak is it in correlation with what is happening? Is the language bounded to what you experience? Does it only happen when you feel the "click" connection to what ever it is.

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It seems to be correlated with what's happening, sometimes it's more like ecstatic, other times it's more like communicative or even channeling-like. It usually seems to happen when i feel a "click" though, like when the conditions are right and i'm at a certain dosage and the factors line up for me to experience something like that, so there's a few different times that it happens and it's i guess more tied to what's happening than say like taking a certain dosage and at the peak i start talking in tongues, it doesn't seem to happen like that. But i think most of all it's more to do with some ecstatic state, because man i felt fucking fantastic during this last experience when talking it tongues, it was definitely some sort of induced ecstatic state.

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LosTresOjos said:

On a recent trip I had been reading a lot of aztech literature and during the trip I saw a lot of aztech art. So we tend to implant the visions in some way.

  I can understand what you mean.

Now, I've experienced this sort of thing while in medium doses and during the come up and come down. But never on high doses, those things completely disappear. I'm placed in New world's made of metal, jewels. I have no awareness of being at home. Well not true, I know I'm tripping and took mushrooms but I'm not bothered that I might be far far from home.

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tyrannicalrex said:

No, I never said you were doing anything wrong either. I agree with  some of this: "it's their own minds that causes the bad trips, the negative consequences, they need to know how to deal with the come up, how to focus on breathing and different breathing techniques, the use of music or mantra or humming or singing or chanting (sound in general), obviously one's mindset and environmental setting, approaching it more personally rather than socially, as personal as death, imo, and they need to know how to shift their mindset and how to clear the mind and center/calm themselves."

I would like to add that it is the persons mental state and subconscious that is the underlying cause of a "bad trip". The drug is merely a catalyst that brings the subconscious to the conscious level and then they may not be able to handle the "truth" or realization they come to, intended or not. BUT, I'll say again, not everyone wants to get to a "higher level of consciousness and understanding" with psychedelics. Some just want to play around and see pretty colors and just enjoy it for the surface things and that is just fine.

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tyrannicalrex said:

Ah, therein lies the disconnect between what you and I are discussing. People do not have to do them in the way that you think/feel they should or get where you think/feel they should be by using them. Scientifically they are "just drugs" and can be used as such with no negative outcomes whatsoever. Just seeing pretty colors and having an enhancement for movies, music, or whatever the person does while utilizing them is not a "waste of time" to everyone. Nor should it be considered as such. The "purpose(s) of these tools" are up to the one utilizing them.

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Sabnock said:

I do think people should be using these tools for a higher purpose.

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MadValley said:

Sabnock said:

I do think people should be using these tools for a higher purpose.

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Just to weigh in... Just as not everybody can be a brain surgeon or an electrician or a physicist not everybody is either seeking nor can make sense of the things you see as a "higher purpose". These chemicals bring out our preconceptions - witness the myriad threads on religion and "ego death". If you live with Jesus every day, damn if he doesn't show up in your trips. By pushing a higher purpose people who are not - deeply - open to that concept are going to feel left behind or that they are missing out on something. Something they may not be equipped, for any number of reasons, to handle.

They are tools, but they're not hammers so each user must get out of them what is best for that individual and for every you or I seeking to learn something there is also somebody who just really wants to understand what they're saying when you play the White Album backwards.

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Vibe_Enthusiast said:

What is this tongue language we speak of?

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Vibe_Enthusiast said:

What is this tongue language we speak of?

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MadValley said:

Sabnock said:

I do think people should be using these tools for a higher purpose.

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Just to weigh in... Just as not everybody can be a brain surgeon or an electrician or a physicist not everybody is either seeking nor can make sense of the things you see as a "higher purpose". These chemicals bring out our preconceptions - witness the myriad threads on religion and "ego death". If you live with Jesus every day, damn if he doesn't show up in your trips. By pushing a higher purpose people who are not - deeply - open to that concept are going to feel left behind or that they are missing out on something. Something they may not be equipped, for any number of reasons, to handle.

They are tools, but they're not hammers so each user must get out of them what is best for that individual and for every you or I seeking to learn something there is also somebody who just really wants to understand what they're saying when you play the White Album backwards.

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