Sabnock said:

My first Entheogen was Ayahuasca and i went full on with that. Just because most people are wussies or can't handle themselves mentally, doesn't mean there aren't different levels to the Psychedelic experience dependent on dosage. If you're new, start low and work your way up, but you don't know what the Psychedelic experience is about, at all, until you more fully dive in dosage-wise, pay attention, and learn. If you just wanna trip balls, take a low dose and have at it, if you wanna learn, you must fully immerse yourself into the experience, take enough so that it's not a game, and learn. As Terence McKenna said, if you're not scared that you took too much, you didn't take enough.

Low doses for socialization and fun times, higher dosages for spirituality, personal growth, esoteric knowledge and wisdom and so much more. Personally, if i'm not talking in tongues, i haven't taken enough.

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TheDoubter said:

kabel said:

I think your definition of breakthrough is different from the DMT definition.

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I think this is out biggest failure when discussing psychedelics. Even writing this I find it hard to pick the right words. Like Terence McKenna used to say, we dont have the proper syntax to fully discuss the psychedelic experience. Paraphrased: "the only way you can understand me is you hearmy words, go to your mental dictionary, then try to build my vision in your head. If our dictionaries dont quite match up then we could be talking about totally different things." He had a belief thang the universe is made up of language. The more I sit and ponder that idea the clearer it becomes. One of my LSD trips, the overwhelming theme was how awful our form of communication was. Tiny mouth noises that's supposed to convey entire mental visions, ideas, landscapes, etc.. On that trip I realized that music was a MUCH better form or communication than just talking. Music can convey emotion and feeling as well. You do not need words or dont need to understand the words or even know the language of a song to receive message or feeling from it. It is still not the best way to communicate but it's far superior to talking.
"...the more perfect Logos would go from being heard to being beheld without ever crossing over a noticeable moment of transition."
-Terence McKenna quoting Philo Judaeus.

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Bumbaa said:

Sabnock said:

My first Entheogen was Ayahuasca and i went full on with that. Just because most people are wussies or can't handle themselves mentally, doesn't mean there aren't different levels to the Psychedelic experience dependent on dosage. If you're new, start low and work your way up, but you don't know what the Psychedelic experience is about, at all, until you more fully dive in dosage-wise, pay attention, and learn. If you just wanna trip balls, take a low dose and have at it, if you wanna learn, you must fully immerse yourself into the experience, take enough so that it's not a game, and learn. As Terence McKenna said, if you're not scared that you took too much, you didn't take enough.

Low doses for socialization and fun times, higher dosages for spirituality, personal growth, esoteric knowledge and wisdom and so much more. Personally, if i'm not talking in tongues, i haven't taken enough.

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Who said I wasn't afraid? Of course I was, but now I am not. I haven't been for a while.

I understand what you are saying. It isn't that I am afraid of high dosages,to the contrary I welcome the most profound of experiences.

I do not feel the need to do so. I do not require a higher dosage to understand what is going on.

I definitely do agree that the true gates are within us and not an outwards force. That I learned a while ago when I did DMT, it is given.

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korgoth said: Word of advice, ignore the rants of dickheads drinking Ayahuasca like Gatorade and sniffing DMT like glue.

Have fun : D

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I just want people to be experienced, to gain understanding, wisdom and gnosis, to enlighten themselves, to get on the spiritual path. And i'm sorry but you're not gonna get that with 1 to 2 grams of mushrooms, or 1 hit of LSD, i assure you. Plus it's really a process, a practice, need to dive in regularly, pay attention, and learn, otherwise, you don't know much of anything lol, there's just so much to learn.

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korgoth said:

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I just want people to be experienced, to gain understanding, wisdom and gnosis, to enlighten themselves, to get on the spiritual path. And i'm sorry but you're not gonna get that with 1 to 2 grams of mushrooms, or 1 hit of LSD, i assure you. Plus it's really a process, a practice, need to dive in regularly, pay attention, and learn, otherwise, you don't know much of anything lol, there's just so much to learn.

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Translates to:

Me, me, me, more stuff about me, me, me, me a special snowflake, me, me, so much to learn, me.

; D

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Vibe_Enthusiast said:

Well in most of your guys opinions, I've never taken a earth shattering dose. I've never taken over 4g of mushrooms. I've tried one hit of Acid, and it was just fun. But to me, nothing beats the mushroom. I mean, I've never tried ayahuasca, nor DMT. I've just never been able to have my hands on them, or else I would/wouldve.

But I will say, even with a 3.5g dose.. I can get pretty deep. I may still have my motor skills, not seeing 'entities'. But, I can lay there and let my thoughts flow from my mind into my body like rainfall. I develop a better understanding of "self".

Honestly, I am scared of higher doses. And I'm not even sure if its needed for me. I rather be able to try and understand what I've learned than to be completely mind fucked and not be able to incorporate it into my every day life. But, on the other side of the spectrum, I can tell that my body/mushroom is telling me to take more. The thought of not being able to understand who I am, does indeed freak me out at the thought of it.

I think I'm going to try my first 5g dose shortly and see how that goes. I've been lingering in the 3.5/4g area. Wonder how much a gram will be of difference.

We all have our reasons for why we do what we do. No right nor wrong way.

Also, I agree. Success is understanding how lucky we are to be alive. I don't think people understand the odds of this kind of life happening.

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This is the point (in bold) I'm trying to convey to skippy up there and anyone else who tries to push a high dose "agenda". Not everyone has to "enter the void" (nor do they want to) to enjoy or find what they seek through psychedelic exploration.

LosTresOjos said:

Not that I find anything but hey you gotta look at the very least.

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MadValley said:

LosTresOjos said:

Not that I find anything but hey you gotta look at the very least.

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This is the thing.

The chemicals open the door but it takes a serious push to get it open. Once the door is open the dose controls how brightly the room is lit. Sure, larger doses show you all sorts of whacked out, violations-of-the-laws-of-the-universe type stuff. It's completely possible to be blinded by the brightness so that what is truly important to find, is invisible.

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tyrannicalrex said: This is the point (in bold) I'm trying to convey to skippy up there and anyone else who tries to push a high dose "agenda". Not everyone has to "enter the void" (nor do they want to) to enjoy or find what they seek through psychedelic exploration.

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LosTresOjos said:

Yeah I can get behind the idea of lighting a room up.
  You've found the invisible? Can you try to describe this thing in the best way you can. I know it's a very subjective thing but that way we have a better understanding of what we are trying to convey. Because right now I can understand what you mean but it's definitely obscured by my personal beliefs and experiences.
Finding the wholly other (what ever label you wish to put on it) can be rewarding but is it real? I don't know.

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Sabnock said:

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tyrannicalrex said: This is the point (in bold) I'm trying to convey to skippy up there and anyone else who tries to push a high dose "agenda". Not everyone has to "enter the void" (nor do they want to) to enjoy or find what they seek through psychedelic exploration.

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It's not at all about entering the void or seeing entities and visuals or whatever, i don't really see the big deal, when i take high dosages i don't go anywhere but within myself, i gain clarity, i understand, i receive all kinds of knowledge and wisdom and understanding, i have very awesome things happen, i talk in tongues, i move my body in weird ways, i've never gone so far even on heavy dosages that i've never been in control of myself ultimately and i've always been just fine. That could be me and others have their own experiences, but i DO NOT get the stuff that i get from higher dosages, at lower dosages. If 2 grams of mushrooms or one hit of LSD is enough to make you start talking in tongues and receiving full on understanding and self-knowledge and wisdom, consider yourself lucky.

This stuff doesn't even take me out of my body, it brings me more into my body, and allows me to more fully feel and understand things, it's not scary at all. I've also had spontaneous meditative, yogic, and tantric stuff happen from high doses which does not happen at low doses.

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Sabnock said:

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tyrannicalrex said: This is the point (in bold) I'm trying to convey to skippy up there and anyone else who tries to push a high dose "agenda". Not everyone has to "enter the void" (nor do they want to) to enjoy or find what they seek through psychedelic exploration.

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It's not at all about entering the void or seeing entities and visuals or whatever, i don't really see the big deal, when i take high dosages i don't go anywhere but within myself, i gain clarity, i understand, i receive all kinds of knowledge and wisdom and understanding, i have very awesome things happen, i talk in tongues, i move my body in weird ways, i've never gone so far even on heavy dosages that i've never been in control of myself ultimately and i've always been just fine. That could be me and others have their own experiences, but i DO NOT get the stuff that i get from higher dosages, at lower dosages. If 2 grams of mushrooms or one hit of LSD is enough to make you start talking in tongues and receiving full on understanding and self-knowledge and wisdom, consider yourself lucky.

This stuff doesn't even take me out of my body, it brings me more into my body, and allows me to more fully feel and understand things, it's not scary at all. I've also had spontaneous meditative, yogic, and tantric stuff happen from high doses which does not happen at low doses.

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tyrannicalrex said:

So what if someone wants to just splash in the shallows. So what if they never learn to swim. Some people just do not want or need to. Saying "you don't know anything and will always be ignorant of certain things" because one doesn't want to delve into it the way you feel/think they should is dangerous.

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tyrannicalrex said: The "big deal" is that  someone new to this may take your high dose advice and completely freak out and have negative consequences that will follow them the rest of their lives.

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