mendocino_beano said:

The link doesn’t work

I read the original post and I have no idea what you’re talking about

Just because one guy who wrote a book about the scene saying there were no thumbprint initiations doesn’t mean they didn’t happen. This was a loosely knit and constantly evolving network and not everybody crossed each other’s paths or had any idea what others were up to. As you said, there was no organization, therefore there would be no standards or rules and nobody would be able to say with any certainty that something did or did not happen if they didn’t witness it, least of all you, who are you again?

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ozblizz said:

.... But at the same time, his clique was NOT the Grandfathers of it all. If anything, this woman Karen Horning, who was sentenced for selling an ounce of raw crystal, sounds like legit OG. and she didn't require her buyers do the thumbprint initiation thing.

So chincat saying "here's how you became an 1980s LSD OG" vs Karen horning saying, "um no, actually that wasn't how it worked".. I'm gonna go with Mrs Horning on this one.

as for what goes on today.. we don't know. But this book Heads seems to say pretty clearly what went on in the 1980s.. since it has interviews with a lot of people who did federal time for MAJOR LSD busts.

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Northerner said:

mendocino_beano said:

The link doesn’t work

I read the original post and I have no idea what you’re talking about

Just because one guy who wrote a book about the scene saying there were no thumbprint initiations doesn’t mean they didn’t happen. This was a loosely knit and constantly evolving network and not everybody crossed each other’s paths or had any idea what others were up to. As you said, there was no organization, therefore there would be no standards or rules and nobody would be able to say with any certainty that something did or did not happen if they didn’t witness it, least of all you, who are you again?

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Who are you? Do you normally get off on internet conspiracies and science with no evidence? Flat earth? Anti-vax? WMD's?

I'm a rational person who who can put 2 and 2 together and get 4.

Chinacat was very specific in going into the imaginary organizations details and going on about things like "elders" and referring to "the family" as an actual organization. Discussing things like rules and policies on dosing and collective decisions about how things were done. Preposterous nonsense with no claim to reality.

ozblizz said:

.... But at the same time, his clique was NOT the Grandfathers of it all. If anything, this woman Karen Horning, who was sentenced for selling an ounce of raw crystal, sounds like legit OG. and she didn't require her buyers do the thumbprint initiation thing.

So chincat saying "here's how you became an 1980s LSD OG" vs Karen horning saying, "um no, actually that wasn't how it worked".. I'm gonna go with Mrs Horning on this one.

as for what goes on today.. we don't know. But this book Heads seems to say pretty clearly what went on in the 1980s.. since it has interviews with a lot of people who did federal time for MAJOR LSD busts.

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I'm with you man.

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We may begin to infer that LSD availability is not the out-come of the incapacitation of a single lab or the small cluster of loosely affiliated manufacturers—DEA suggests six—that allegedly are responsible for most LSD production, but rather the outcome of the re-dundancy of an unknown and much larger number of smaller, independent point sources that arise and disappear due to several factors—other than enforcement’s incapacitation and deterrent effects—that we will discuss.

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Big Worm said:

Northerner said:

mendocino_beano said:

The link doesn’t work

I read the original post and I have no idea what you’re talking about

Just because one guy who wrote a book about the scene saying there were no thumbprint initiations doesn’t mean they didn’t happen. This was a loosely knit and constantly evolving network and not everybody crossed each other’s paths or had any idea what others were up to. As you said, there was no organization, therefore there would be no standards or rules and nobody would be able to say with any certainty that something did or did not happen if they didn’t witness it, least of all you, who are you again?

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Who are you? Do you normally get off on internet conspiracies and science with no evidence? Flat earth? Anti-vax? WMD's?

I'm a rational person who who can put 2 and 2 together and get 4.

Chinacat was very specific in going into the imaginary organizations details and going on about things like "elders" and referring to "the family" as an actual organization. Discussing things like rules and policies on dosing and collective decisions about how things were done. Preposterous nonsense with no claim to reality.

ozblizz said:

.... But at the same time, his clique was NOT the Grandfathers of it all. If anything, this woman Karen Horning, who was sentenced for selling an ounce of raw crystal, sounds like legit OG. and she didn't require her buyers do the thumbprint initiation thing.

So chincat saying "here's how you became an 1980s LSD OG" vs Karen horning saying, "um no, actually that wasn't how it worked".. I'm gonna go with Mrs Horning on this one.

as for what goes on today.. we don't know. But this book Heads seems to say pretty clearly what went on in the 1980s.. since it has interviews with a lot of people who did federal time for MAJOR LSD busts.

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I'm with you man.

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I personally know people associated with the GDF and they do use that exact terminology and speak about it like an organization exactly the way you are saying chinacat described it. So it's deinitely not all bullshit.  I've been around it.

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feevers said:

the people I know in the GDF say that all the guys you guys know in the GDF weren't actually in the GDF

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mendocino_beano said:

viraldrome said:

mendocino_beano said:

So just because someone wrote in a book that people laughed when he asked if thumbprint initiations happened, you know China cat was a ‘bullshit artist’?

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He's an outright fucking liar because no amount of LSD lasts for days. I don't have to eat milligrams of powder to know all LSD trips last a standard 8-12 hours and just get more intense. The fact people here still defend it is embarrassing.

Using terms like fluff and needlepoint too, it's cringey at best and disinformation  at worst.

Everything chinacat said was made up, all of it.

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Really? That’s your reasoning for being absolutely sure that he’s full of shit? What’s the highest dose of lsd you’ve done anyway?

Well first of all I completely disagree, and I’m not trying to defend chinacats claims at all, I simply have experienced higher dose LSD trips that lasted longer than 12 hours, more like 16-18 or more, and yes it was LSD. I’ve also experienced after effects that lasted days or up to a week. So I don’t think his claims about massive overdoses lasting a week and never fully leaving you are unrealistic at all. Occasionally  I still do feel the aftershocks of my most intense lsd trips and I do feel almost forever changed by them. It’s subtle but it’s there.

I think it’s funny the way the mention of this guys stories froths up all of the skeptics to call him a piece of shit like he molested children or something

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Asante said:

If you visit your local chapter of freemasons you might have the opinion of having walked into a bridge club. The jolly gents will assure you that all this talk of secret lodges is just gobbledygook, and to them it is -- they never got a down low invite to a higher lodge.

feevers said:

the people I know in the GDF say that all the guys you guys know in the GDF weren't actually in the GDF

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Whats the first rule of Fight Club again?


In my opinion - they were beautiful stories by a good storyteller who to an unknown degree mixed having actually been places with the artistic liberties of storytelling.

A thing you got to know about men over 40 is that the actual delivery of a story at times matters a tad more than the precise facts. How much, is up for the storyteller's ethics. Go sit in a harbor's bar and listen in on a tale or two, it has a bit of a familiar ring.

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A third case, where the dose was well and truly above what is normal for a recreational dose, involved a woman in her 40s who accidentally snorted 55 milligrams of pure LSD, which she had thought was cocaine. That's 550 times the usual recreational dose of LSD.

After managing to call for help, she started to vomit within the hour and continued to vomit whilst also blacking out and not moving for the next 12 hours, before she was able to communicate again.

"She felt 'pleasantly high' for the next 12 hours (with infrequent vomiting)," the case authors wrote. "The collateral report from the roommate revealed that she sat mostly still in a chair with her eyes either open, closed, or rolled back, frothing at the mouth, occasionally vocalizing random words and vomiting frequently. Ten hours later she was able to converse."

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Northerner said:

A woman recently snorted a line of LSD by accident, 55mg is the estimated dose.

https://www.iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/woman-accidentally-snorts-550-times-usual-dose-of-lsd-in-one-go-this-is-what-happened/

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A third case, where the dose was well and truly above what is normal for a recreational dose, involved a woman in her 40s who accidentally snorted 55 milligrams of pure LSD, which she had thought was cocaine. That's 550 times the usual recreational dose of LSD.

After managing to call for help, she started to vomit within the hour and continued to vomit whilst also blacking out and not moving for the next 12 hours, before she was able to communicate again.

"She felt 'pleasantly high' for the next 12 hours (with infrequent vomiting)," the case authors wrote. "The collateral report from the roommate revealed that she sat mostly still in a chair with her eyes either open, closed, or rolled back, frothing at the mouth, occasionally vocalizing random words and vomiting frequently. Ten hours later she was able to converse."

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