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Poster: pacoperu
Subject: Re: Thumbprint & the book Chinacat72 never wrote
i don't know if chinacat is a liar or not....thumbprints did happen -- I do agree with Bill regarding some of his comments.  Doing mega doses of psychedelics does not make someone special nor put them in a hierarchy.  That is ridiculous.  Any massive dosage of LSD, DMT or Psilocybin is no joke.  for some people, it can/will create a psychotic break.  To be certain, you will never be the same.  For some, the change will be for the better, for others...not so much.  I also read someone post that no matter how much you take, you come down after 12 hours...that is bullshit.  Megadoses will last longer, and can be more than a day.  I have personal experience.  I also have personal experience of taking crystal and putting it on paper.  No matter how much you try to avoid ingestion, it is gonna happen.  Gloves, mask -- no matter...the liquid evaporates so rapidly and such a small dose is needed that you will ingest/inhale some level.  I don't know if things have changed, but years ago there was a network of chemists -- that were protected at all costs.  All risks of possession of product, chemicals, the lab itself, distribution, etc...were handled by others.  The chemists would handle the processing--and that was there exposure, while in the lab.  If something went south...the chemist was protected at all costs...others would take the fall/the bust.  Bill if you have IV'd DMT at the levels you spoke of...bless you...!  Personally, megadoses are not for me.  4-5g of good ole Boomers are about all this warrior wants to take on.  I will say that I believe people need to experience these substances...overall they tend to make someone more sympathetic to others.

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Northerner said:

Felt great to be confirmed what I always knew but couldn't say out loud without being attacked, that chinacat was a huge fucking liar.

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That was from a speech he gave at MindStates:

MindStates IV LSD Panel: Hypothesis on Albert Hofmann's Famous 1943 "Bicycle Day". David Nichols, May 24, 2003

I just quoted this lecture the other day in a Shroomery thread to counter a post that stated that someone was dosed by the sprinkling of LSD powder on a phone. The post was made by an alleged Deadhead and LSD distributor who has stirred up controversy because of his claim that he took 100,000 micrograms of LSD and that his friend took between ½-¾ of a gram.

1.  It's a little tradition were people who work with crystal stick there thumb in it and lick it off. Dose can be from 50mg-1/2gram. My largest was probably around 1/10th of a gram, though whiterasta has me beat by far as do alot of people. A dose this size is like no other. It's a huge difference between taking a couple mgs. The so called saturation level of LSD is quickly toasted at this level. WR can explian this hypothesis better than me. It's also very exhausting and shattering. Something i'm glad I did, but wouldn't do again.

chinacat72, 07/21/03, http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/1734494#1734494

Whiterasta's print was between 1/2-3/4 of a gram. Thats a very ,very hefty dose. My largest print was about 1/10th of a gram(100,000mcg.)

chinacat72, 02/02/04, Re: LSD death

The telephone post:

Allright one more story tonight
This one's from a dark period of my life 'but an important night.
It's 96 and i'm livin in a hotel down on fisherman's warf in San Francisco.
I am horribly addicted to herion. Ravaged and in the grips of the beast. My friend's try everything they can to reason with me. I blow them all off and only leave my hotel room to go to the post office and western union and then down to the mission district to score my dope for the day.
One day i'm in my room in my constant nod and a good freind comes by to see me. One of the elder heads that first showed me the ropes on tour. He sit's there and cries and tells me i'm rotting away and i'm like ya ya see ya later and he leaves. A little later he calles me and say's " We love you and you need to see the light" and hang's up. I'm like whatever man and as i hang up the phone i feel it. LSD crystal doesn't require you to eat it. If you get it on your skin you get high. And as i look at my hand where i held the phone when he called me there was little specks of white fluff all over. I realized he had sprinkled it on my phone.I was like noooooooooo not now. I knew i was in for a bad trip since being a junkie you get full of bad karma. I went into the bathroom and imediatly puked everywhere. It was coming on strong and fast. I layed down and saw what a ravaged wreck of a person i had become from this evil drug. I was at the end of my rope and took off out the door and down the hall out of the hotel. Hell i was probably going to jump into the bay. As soon as i got out side there was another of my close friend's waiting casually smoking a cigarette. He flicked it and said I think it's time we got out of the city and went up into the mountain's.
That's when my healing began. I was so sick , but i was taken care of.
I havn't touched herion since. I never will.
That's the Grateful Dead family for ya

chinacat72, 02/25/03, https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/1335338#1335338

More support for Nichols' claim:

I also have a personal anecdote of transdermal LSD absorption, and it's ineffectiveness. Years ago there was an accident with liquid that led to a half vial being smeared on my face. The liquid in question was fluff crystal broken down to 100mcg per drop. Having that liquid smeared on my face had no effect whatsoever. Had I eaten that amount I would've been out of my gourd.

Dark_Star, 12/31/13, https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19351356#19351356

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fascinating thread, made me join. And fascinating post here, I'd love more on this.

thanks and cheers to all!

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s240779 said:

Northerner said:

Felt great to be confirmed what I always knew but couldn't say out loud without being attacked, that chinacat was a huge fucking liar.

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I recently posted about that on Bluelight. Someone mentioned that LSD expert, David Nichols claimed that LSD can't be absorbed transdermally, and chinacat made a post where he said that he was dosed that way once.

Quote:

That was from a speech he gave at MindStates:

MindStates IV LSD Panel: Hypothesis on Albert Hofmann's Famous 1943 "Bicycle Day". David Nichols, May 24, 2003

I just quoted this lecture the other day in a Shroomery thread to counter a post that stated that someone was dosed by the sprinkling of LSD powder on a phone. The post was made by an alleged Deadhead and LSD distributor who has stirred up controversy because of his claim that he took 100,000 micrograms of LSD and that his friend took between ½-¾ of a gram.

1.  It's a little tradition were people who work with crystal stick there thumb in it and lick it off. Dose can be from 50mg-1/2gram. My largest was probably around 1/10th of a gram, though whiterasta has me beat by far as do alot of people. A dose this size is like no other. It's a huge difference between taking a couple mgs. The so called saturation level of LSD is quickly toasted at this level. WR can explian this hypothesis better than me. It's also very exhausting and shattering. Something i'm glad I did, but wouldn't do again.

chinacat72, 07/21/03, http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/1734494#1734494

Whiterasta's print was between 1/2-3/4 of a gram. Thats a very ,very hefty dose. My largest print was about 1/10th of a gram(100,000mcg.)

chinacat72, 02/02/04, Re: LSD death

The telephone post:

Allright one more story tonight
This one's from a dark period of my life 'but an important night.
It's 96 and i'm livin in a hotel down on fisherman's warf in San Francisco.
I am horribly addicted to herion. Ravaged and in the grips of the beast. My friend's try everything they can to reason with me. I blow them all off and only leave my hotel room to go to the post office and western union and then down to the mission district to score my dope for the day.
One day i'm in my room in my constant nod and a good freind comes by to see me. One of the elder heads that first showed me the ropes on tour. He sit's there and cries and tells me i'm rotting away and i'm like ya ya see ya later and he leaves. A little later he calles me and say's " We love you and you need to see the light" and hang's up. I'm like whatever man and as i hang up the phone i feel it. LSD crystal doesn't require you to eat it. If you get it on your skin you get high. And as i look at my hand where i held the phone when he called me there was little specks of white fluff all over. I realized he had sprinkled it on my phone.I was like noooooooooo not now. I knew i was in for a bad trip since being a junkie you get full of bad karma. I went into the bathroom and imediatly puked everywhere. It was coming on strong and fast. I layed down and saw what a ravaged wreck of a person i had become from this evil drug. I was at the end of my rope and took off out the door and down the hall out of the hotel. Hell i was probably going to jump into the bay. As soon as i got out side there was another of my close friend's waiting casually smoking a cigarette. He flicked it and said I think it's time we got out of the city and went up into the mountain's.
That's when my healing began. I was so sick , but i was taken care of.
I havn't touched herion since. I never will.
That's the Grateful Dead family for ya

chinacat72, 02/25/03, https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/1335338#1335338

More support for Nichols' claim:

I also have a personal anecdote of transdermal LSD absorption, and it's ineffectiveness. Years ago there was an accident with liquid that led to a half vial being smeared on my face. The liquid in question was fluff crystal broken down to 100mcg per drop. Having that liquid smeared on my face had no effect whatsoever. Had I eaten that amount I would've been out of my gourd.

Dark_Star, 12/31/13, https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19351356#19351356

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Lysergeus said:

awesome, thanks!

as for absorbing lsd, I dont see how it would not. Pickard said he took the higest dose in history by taking a bath in 10,000,000 doses (1 kilo) and got instant Trumpets but was fine by the next morning. But he also said he tripped less from that than on 1000μ. so wth, something aint right

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Nyxchaac said:

Hoffman's first trip was peculiar for a number of reasons. The effects, duration, timing, manner of exposure and more, all create more questions than answers. There is an argument that it was a mystical experience that couldn't have actually involved a low dose of LSD, because it simply doesn't match the pharmacology of LSD.

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Northerner said:

I just looked it up myself and found you're right, it is technically transdermally bioavailable. I had the DSMO testing mixed up with DMT.

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