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Re: 63% of Non-Citizen Households In 2014 Used Welfare [Re: 5150] * 1
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Re: America: 63% of Non-Citizen Households In 2014 Used Welfare [Re: ballsalsa]
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Re: 63% of Non-Citizen Households In 2014 Used Welfare [Re: Mycolorado]
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Welfare programs are only available if you fall below the poverty line, they're available because if you don't make beyond that it is deemed by society to be an unfair burdon and that you are not making enough to survive. Whether you're here legally or illegally you should be treated humanely.

Your statistics are heavily biased and I suspect intentionally skewed as well. It compares non citizens (not meaning illegal, but simply not citizens, many of them are here legally and paying taxes) to the entire US citizenship. Only about 15% of US citizens fall below the poverty line, how many non citizens do you think do? I'd imagine it's significantly more than 15%. Is your argument that we should not allow any immigrants, legal or not, or are you advocating that we pay green card holders fair wages?

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Re: America: 63% of Non-Citizen Households In 2014 Used Welfare [Re: XUL] * 2
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XUL said:
I think it's fair to say that we need to stop illegal immigration once and for all -- lest we wish to live in a "social Utopia" like California.


First, your numbers include legal immigrants.  The Center for Immigration Studies loves to pull that trick to rally people against illegal immigrants.  Qman falls for it every time.

Second, illegals don't qualify for welfare.  They get schooling, but that's about it.

Third, discounted school lunch is considered welfare.  Who really cares about that?

Fourth, California is one of the top 10 states in the country in terms of median household income.  And as others have said, it's also one of the best states in the country to live in.

XUL said:
The California problem:

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Since 1960 California’s population exploded from 15.9 to 39 million people. The growth was almost entirely due to immigration—many people came from other states but the majority came from abroad. The Public Policy Institute of California estimates that 10 million immigrants currently reside in California. This works out to 26 percent of the state’s population.



The only reason that would be a problem is if you dislike dark skinned people.  :shrug:


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Re: America: 63% of Non-Citizen Households In 2014 Used Welfare [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
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Also if 26% of the total population are immigrants after the influx how can the growth be, "almost entirely due to immigration?" That doesn't even make sense.

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Re: America: 63% of Non-Citizen Households In 2014 Used Welfare [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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My numbers also include illegal immigrants.
:cookiemonster:

Second, illegals do use welfare.



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Re: America: 63% of Non-Citizen Households In 2014 Used Welfare [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
XUL said:
I think it's fair to say that we need to stop illegal immigration once and for all -- lest we wish to live in a "social Utopia" like California.


First, your numbers include legal immigrants.  The Center for Immigration Studies loves to pull that trick to rally people against illegal immigrants.  Qman falls for it every time.



Illegals have children and they are called anchor babies, they should be included. I'm not falling for anything, I'm just looking for some intellectual honesty. You would rather play around with semantics.

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Re: 63% of Non-Citizen Households In 2014 Used Welfare [Re: XUL] * 1
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Second, illegals do use welfare.



  Third  They pay taxes .

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_impact_of_illegal_immigrants_in_the_United_States

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Research reviewed by the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office indicates that between 50 percent and 75 percent of unauthorized immigrants pay federal, state, and local taxes. Illegal immigrants are estimated to pay in about $7 billion per year into Social Security.



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Re: 63% of Non-Citizen Households In 2014 Used Welfare [Re: Psilynut2]
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Psilynut2 said:
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Second, illegals do use welfare.



  Third  They pay taxes .

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_impact_of_illegal_immigrants_in_the_United_States

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Research reviewed by the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office indicates that between 50 percent and 75 percent of unauthorized immigrants pay federal, state, and local taxes. Illegal immigrants are estimated to pay in about $7 billion per year into Social Security.



They don't pay enough in taxes to counter their use of the tax base. I believe they use 7 times more than they contribute.

Edited by qman (12/08/18 01:35 PM)

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Re: 63% of Non-Citizen Households In 2014 Used Welfare [Re: qman] * 1
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Well they pick all your food so stop complaining. Why are you so ungrateful they do the work lazy Americans refuse to do.

You guys should get down on your knees and wash the feet of illegal immigrants. You should kiss their heels and lick in between their toes for being the hardest working people in America.  Your women should breast feed their babies so their women can go pick your lemons and avocados. Your children should learn Spanish first so they can thank them in their native language. You should let your children be raised in their families so they learn the value of hard work instead of the street value of the OxyContin they steal from your medicine cabinet. You should give the men hand jobs, save the sperm to impregnate your women with genetically superior seed. Even better: find a local immigrant man and let your women lay with them so they know what it’s like to have sex with a real man. You should watch so you learn something. You should tickle his balls while he’s deep inside her to increase his pleasure. Then you should thank him and shut the fuck up.


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“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

Edited by koods (12/08/18 02:35 PM)

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Re: 63% of Non-Citizen Households In 2014 Used Welfare [Re: koods]
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koods said:
Well they pick all your food so stop complaining. Why are you so ungrateful they do the work lazy Americans refuse to do.

You guys should get down on your knees and wash the feet of illegal immigrants. You should kiss their heels and lick in between their toes for being the hardest working people in America.  Your women should breast feed their babies so their women can go pick your lemons and avocados. Your children should learn Spanish first so they can thank them in their native language. You should let your children be raised in their families so they learn the value of hard work instead of the street value of the OxyContin they steal from your medicine cabinet. You should give the men hand jobs, save the sperm to impregnate your women with genetically superior seed. Even better: find a local immigrant man and let your women lay with them so they know what it’s like to have sex with a real man. You should watch so you learn something. You should tickle his balls while he’s deep inside her to increase his pleasure. Then you should thank him and shut the fuck up.


Sounds like you drank too much coffee today. :lol:

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Re: 63% of Non-Citizen Households In 2014 Used Welfare [Re: qman]
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I was sipping on it while that streamed into my fingers


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“if I believed she was 16 I would become unattracted to her”

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Re: America: 63% of Non-Citizen Households In 2014 Used Welfare [Re: XUL]
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XUL said:
My numbers also include illegal immigrants.
:cookiemonster:

Second, illegals do use welfare.




That's what I said.  I said your numbers include both, and if you're only against illegal immigration, then you should only use numbers for illegal immigration.

I also said illegals get discounted lunches, which is no big deal.  What other welfare do they get?  Or do you want to keep them out because the poor immigrants kids get a school lunch discount?


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Re: America: 63% of Non-Citizen Households In 2014 Used Welfare [Re: qman] * 1
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qman said:
Illegals have children and they are called anchor babies, they should be included. I'm not falling for anything, I'm just looking for some intellectual honesty. You would rather play around with semantics.


Fine, include anchor babies and say so.  But DO NOT include legal immigrants, as that skews the numbers to make it look like illegals are costing more than they actually are.


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Re: America: 63% of Non-Citizen Households In 2014 Used Welfare [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 2
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Legal and illegal are about as semantically distinct as you can be, you can't judt use them interchangeably and dismiss the difference as benign.

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Re: America: 63% of Non-Citizen Households In 2014 Used Welfare [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
qman said:
Illegals have children and they are called anchor babies, they should be included. I'm not falling for anything, I'm just looking for some intellectual honesty. You would rather play around with semantics.


Fine, include anchor babies and say so.  But DO NOT include legal immigrants, as that skews the numbers to make it look like illegals are costing more than they actually are.


If illegals are having children in the US and costing the US taxpayer money, we should include that factor into the cost of illegal immigrants. :shrug:

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Re: America: 63% of Non-Citizen Households In 2014 Used Welfare [Re: qman] * 3
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Those babies are US citizens just like you were when you were born.


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Re: America: 63% of Non-Citizen Households In 2014 Used Welfare [Re: qman]
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qman said:
Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
Fine, include anchor babies and say so.


If illegals are having children in the US and costing the US taxpayer money, we should include that factor into the cost of illegal immigrants. :shrug:


That's what I just said.  And don't include legal immigrants that aren't anchor babies.


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Re: 63% of Non-Citizen Households In 2014 Used Welfare [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
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Sorry, just not that outraged about that.

Day by day our freedoms are erroded well past an intolerable amount.  As bad as illegal immigration is, it's not the main thing that burns my biscits.  Why?  Cause I'm not a brainwashed broken record.


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Re: America: 63% of Non-Citizen Households In 2014 Used Welfare [Re: XUL]
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The question is how does this affect your freedom?


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