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Re: Rubio pushes for Venezuela to be placed on US state terrorism sponsors list [Re: ballsalsa]
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qman said:
Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
qman said:
Shouldn't they be able to function regardless of the price of oil?  I mean what kind of system needs a high commodity price to not collapse on itself?

So maybe the price of oil really isn't the issue there, correct?


You're missing the point.  It doesn't matter what they make their money off of; the US will always interfere.

If you're Cuba and you make great cigars, the US will ban your the sale of your cigars in the US, to help ensure your system fails.

The US feels it's better to take away the freedom of its citizens to buy fine Cuban cigars, than to risk allowing communism to succeed.

That's how desperate the US is to prevent the success of communism.


Even if true, the better system should still prevail over time.

I think many give the US way too much credit for the failure of others, most "communist" states fail because of human nature.



I tend to agree.

Every country has international interference. To place the blame on only international interference is disingenuous.

Something is wrong with America? Blame it on American enemies.


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Re: Rubio pushes for Venezuela to be placed on US state terrorism sponsors list [Re: XUL] * 1
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^^ that’s basically all you do. Blame Muslims and Mexicans.


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Re: Rubio pushes for Venezuela to be placed on US state terrorism sponsors list [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said:
^^ that’s basically all you do. Blame Muslims and Mexicans.


Mexicans are fine nationalist people with great Catholic values. I just wish they would come in legally.


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Re: Rubio pushes for Venezuela to be placed on US state terrorism sponsors list [Re: XUL] * 1
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No you don’t.


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Re: Rubio pushes for Venezuela to be placed on US state terrorism sponsors list [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said:
No you don’t.


Mind reader or totally clueless?

:cookiemonster:


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Re: Rubio pushes for Venezuela to be placed on US state terrorism sponsors list [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
qman said:
I guess one would argue it's now a very warped version of "capitalism" taking place in Russia today.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_oligarch

The usual suspects at work once again.


You mean a handful of billionaires just like it is in the US?


I guess that's one way of looking at it.

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Re: Rubio pushes for Venezuela to be placed on US state terrorism sponsors list [Re: XUL]
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XUL said:
The Ecstatic said:
^^ that’s basically all you do. Blame Muslims and Mexicans.


Mexicans are fine nationalist people with great Catholic values. I just wish they would come in legally.


What for?  There's little to no need for more people in the US today.

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Re: Rubio pushes for Venezuela to be placed on US state terrorism sponsors list [Re: XUL] * 1
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XUL said:
The Ecstatic said:
No you don’t.


Mind reader or totally clueless?

:cookiemonster:


So you haven’t been arguing against asylum seekers legally pursuing ports of entry? You haven’t consistently argued for immigration policies that the courts have ruled as illegal?


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Re: Rubio pushes for Venezuela to be placed on US state terrorism sponsors list [Re: qman] * 1
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qman said:
XUL said:
The Ecstatic said:
^^ that’s basically all you do. Blame Muslims and Mexicans.


Mexicans are fine nationalist people with great Catholic values. I just wish they would come in legally.


What for?  There's little to no need for more people in the US today.


See XUL?

THIS is how you do white nationalism now. You can drop the GWB era “I love immigrants I just hate illegal immigrants” pretense now. Just fully lean into the ethnostate.


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Re: Rubio pushes for Venezuela to be placed on US state terrorism sponsors list [Re: qman]
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qman said:
XUL said:
The Ecstatic said:
^^ that’s basically all you do. Blame Muslims and Mexicans.


Mexicans are fine nationalist people with great Catholic values. I just wish they would come in legally.


What for?  There's little to no need for more people in the US today.


I think we should be open to taking accomplished scientists, engineers, and so forth.

As for massive amounts of migration and chain migration, it needs to be stopped.


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Re: Rubio pushes for Venezuela to be placed on US state terrorism sponsors list [Re: XUL]
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XUL said:
qman said:
XUL said:
The Ecstatic said:
^^ that’s basically all you do. Blame Muslims and Mexicans.


Mexicans are fine nationalist people with great Catholic values. I just wish they would come in legally.


What for?  There's little to no need for more people in the US today.


I think we should be open to taking accomplished scientists, engineers, and so forth.

As for massive amounts of migration and chain migration, it needs to be stopped.


Only IF those accomplished scientists or engineers provide something special that isn't already available in the US. 

It's most often NOT about special talents, it's about flooding more educated people into the labor market to devalue the worth of educated and highly skilled labor.

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Re: Rubio pushes for Venezuela to be placed on US state terrorism sponsors list [Re: qman]
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I tend to agree.

I still think we should collect scientists. :smile:


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Re: Rubio pushes for Venezuela to be placed on US state terrorism sponsors list [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said:
XUL said:
The Ecstatic said:
No you don’t.


Mind reader or totally clueless?

:cookiemonster:


So you haven’t been arguing against asylum seekers legally pursuing ports of entry? You haven’t consistently argued for immigration policies that the courts have ruled as illegal?


Gonna answer my question?


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Re: Rubio pushes for Venezuela to be placed on US state terrorism sponsors list [Re: The Ecstatic]
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I argue that anything should be done legally.


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Re: Rubio pushes for Venezuela to be placed on US state terrorism sponsors list [Re: XUL]
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The Holocaust was legal


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Re: Rubio pushes for Venezuela to be placed on US state terrorism sponsors list [Re: The Ecstatic]
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I guess I should have reminded you that we were talking about the US southern border in modern day America.

Keep that in mind.


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Re: Rubio pushes for Venezuela to be placed on US state terrorism sponsors list [Re: XUL] * 1
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Still haven’t answered my question.

Did you argue in favor of policies that violate federal and international law or not?

If so (you absolutely did), quit pretending legality is your goal.


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Re: Rubio pushes for Venezuela to be placed on US state terrorism sponsors list [Re: XUL]
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XUL said:
qman said:
I think many give the US way too much credit for the failure of others, most "communist" states fail because of human nature.


I tend to agree.

Every country has international interference. To place the blame on only international interference is disingenuous.


Actually, it is very disingenuous to simply brush off the interference that is going on.  Venezueala was the richest country in South America under Chavez according to your own article.  Then the US stepped in to kill oil prices and their economy went downhill.

If a communist country were as powerful as the US, and tood similar measures against capitalist countries, they would surely fail as well.


XUL, it seems that when you are presented with evidence, your response is always the same:  "Meh, I'm going to ignore your evidence and stick with my original position".


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Re: Rubio pushes for Venezuela to be placed on US state terrorism sponsors list [Re: XUL]
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XUL said:
Mexicans are fine nationalist people with great Catholic values. I just wish they would come in legally.


So does that mean you are you ready to sign a petition calling for open borders with Mexico, so that more of them can come in legally?

Heck, I'm not even ready to do that.


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