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Kratom Withdrawels
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How do I curb? How do you get over them? Should I use heroin?

All jokes aside, I dug a deep hole for myself. Been using about 2 months straight. Any advice?


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Ephesians 6:12
For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Psalm 12:6
The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times.
Hebrews 11:3
Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
Revelation 3:11
Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast, that no man take thy crown.

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Re: Kratom Withdrawels [Re: Shiithead]
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what was your dosing like?


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For most of the normies out there, an operating system is just a bootloader for Google Chrome.

And I don't know what the mantis is praying for
But he's probably just thanking the Lord
That he don't live in a home
And he don't got a phone
And he don't sit around all angry and bored
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Re: Kratom Withdrawels [Re: Shiithead]
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Shiithead said:
How do I curb? How do you get over them? Should I use heroin?

All jokes aside, I dug a deep hole for myself. Been using about 2 months straight. Any advice?


just decrease each dose by .2g every week or two. and when you get below 2g maybe .1g at a time. i did that with no withdrawl symptoms. then when i was down to about 1.5g, i kept my first dose the same and tapered my evening dose all the way down to .2g before cutting it out and only taking one dose of 1.5g per day and less on week ends. thats probably unnessecary. i doubt youd get withdrawl if you stopped and your dose was under a gram. but i wouldnt know. because i didnt take a chance. and it worked out. i did used to get withdrawl when i would skip days before but i didnt get any symptoms when i tapered slowly.

if you take enough to nod like i used to then first work on taking a dose that boosts your mood and hives you that kratomy feeling but doesnt make you nod. once you adjust to that proceed with what i suggested above.

heroin is a good plan B though.

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Re: Kratom Withdrawels [Re: gopher]
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black seed oil

i've heard phenibut helps but I have never tried it

I used baclofen myself since it's GABAB-ergic like phen and it helped with restlessness and sleep.

Weed helps, but I noticed smoking excessive amounts of weed precipitated withdrawal worse for the first few days (kappa/lesser delta endorphin antagonist cannibinoid I don't know about, I'm assuming)

Naltrexone if you wanna get it all over with at once... I'd maybe lick a pill over the course of a couple hours based on what taking about 5mg did when I started messing with it in relation to kratom PWD.

http://www.reddit.com/r/quittingkratom


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Re: Kratom Withdrawels [Re: Shiithead] * 2
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2 months of krat? One thing I dislike at times about sites like these is people get this mindset that withdrawal is so bad because they hear/see people in avoidance often enough.. Just deal with it and stop if you feel it's a problem. The idea of cold-turkeying off a 2 month fling with the tree dust doesn't exactly conjure for me visions of your demise.

Edited by larry.fisherman (10/30/18 06:42 PM)

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Re: Kratom Withdrawels [Re: st1llnox]
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nox that sub is full of krazies


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For most of the normies out there, an operating system is just a bootloader for Google Chrome.

And I don't know what the mantis is praying for
But he's probably just thanking the Lord
That he don't live in a home
And he don't got a phone
And he don't sit around all angry and bored
(He's just a bug)

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Re: Kratom Withdrawels [Re: gopher]
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yeah they're pretty nuts but like AA, they've worked out a lot of good tricks and information while putting together their groupthink doctrine :smile:


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Back, bitches.
st1lln0x: so i'm on weed, temazepam, adderall, dexedrine, dxm, dph, alcohol, nicotine, caffeine, tryptophan, GABA, and kratom
Cavemen_savemen: st1lln0x, do you feel like a robot yet?
st1lln0x: I feel like a fucking Gundam
Click to friend me on Steam for Counter-Strike
:crankey: IS LIFE SKULLFUCKING YOU!? HAVE SOME FREE MORALE! :awesomenod:
Click if you want to feel you alone can do it! Click if you want to feel confident and beastly! Click if you want courage to let go and move on! And click the message if you need someone to talk to -- I'll understand, even if we "hate" each other on here :hug: :sun:

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Re: Kratom Withdrawels [Re: st1llnox]
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Take like, 1/2 of your regular daily dose 2 hours before bed for 2 weeks, then half that for another two weeks. Then just that ammount to when you get the squirlies, and stay off recreational doses entirely.  If you want to get back into it after getting away from it,  have a code, never take it 2 days in a row, or even better, never more than 2 times a week.

Stick to the code


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Re: Kratom Withdrawels [Re: Mitchnast]
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I ate a kilo in about 2 and a half months. Stopped cold turkey cause I ran out. No withdrawl. Period. Not a physical symptom. Not even really psychological ones. Like to the point where it made me think weed is more addictive than it is cause when I don't smoke weed for like 2 weeks I'm like man I miss getting high. But I haven't done kratom in like 3 months. No cravings.


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Re: Kratom Withdrawels [Re: paradoxlost]
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Just drink, smoke weed or do other drugs for a few days and you won’t even notice. Tappering seems kind of silly with kratom.

Melatonin works well. The only physical withdrawals I get from kratom are insomnia and RLS.

The mental game is more difficult than physical WD symptoms.... unless your dosing huge.

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Re: Kratom Withdrawels [Re: Shiithead]
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I've been using krat for about 6 years now. I'll go through a key every 3 months or so. Then take a month off. I don't weight my shit out anymore but I'm guessing I take around 8 - 10 grams a day. I skip days here and there but mostly I take it everyday.

When I take that month off I will usually get a bit of a runny nose the first 2 days and I'll have super soft poop the next couple days after I stop before it goes back to normal.

Obviously everyone is different but for me, I wouldn't even really call those "withdrawals" as they have a very low impact on my daily life.

I just drink a lot more water the first couple days... that's all I got as far as far as things to do when you stop taking it. Hope you get it figured out OP. Like I said it seems to affect everyone differently


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Re: Kratom Withdrawels [Re: Shiithead]
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Take 20 grams of creatine, put in a workout (even if you feel like shit), drink as much water as you can, and your w/d's will be almost non-existent within a day or two.


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“[...]the only people for me are the mad ones,
the ones who are mad to live, mad to talk,
mad to be saved,
desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars and in the middle you see the blue centerlight pop and everybody goes “Awww!”

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Re: Kratom Withdrawels [Re: lets drive around]
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Get your hands on some sedatives. In my experience, from most effective to least: pregabalin > phenibut > xanax. Take as much as you need for decent sleep/alleviating misery and stop after 3 days. By then the withdrawals will have subsided and dependency on any of the above is worse than kratom addiction.


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Kinesin, a motor protein, shuttling a vesicle full of cargo
such as glucose or even neurotransmitters across a cell.
This little guy struts along the microtubule using ATP as fuel.

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Re: Kratom Withdrawels [Re: kr0nik0]
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Also just stay busy doing stuff where you forget to dose and just take a little when it gets unbearable

And when you wake up withdrawing and dose on your taper if you dont CT, remember:

Enough to feel normal <<<<<<< enough to feel high


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Back, bitches.
st1lln0x: so i'm on weed, temazepam, adderall, dexedrine, dxm, dph, alcohol, nicotine, caffeine, tryptophan, GABA, and kratom
Cavemen_savemen: st1lln0x, do you feel like a robot yet?
st1lln0x: I feel like a fucking Gundam
Click to friend me on Steam for Counter-Strike
:crankey: IS LIFE SKULLFUCKING YOU!? HAVE SOME FREE MORALE! :awesomenod:
Click if you want to feel you alone can do it! Click if you want to feel confident and beastly! Click if you want courage to let go and move on! And click the message if you need someone to talk to -- I'll understand, even if we "hate" each other on here :hug: :sun:

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Re: Kratom Withdrawels [Re: kr0nik0]
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kr0nik0 said:
Take 20 grams of creatine, put in a workout (even if you feel like shit), drink as much water as you can, and your w/d's will be almost non-existent within a day or two.


What does the creatine do? I've had great results with creatine for cognitive enhancement but it took about a week of taking it before it started working.


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Kinesin, a motor protein, shuttling a vesicle full of cargo
such as glucose or even neurotransmitters across a cell.
This little guy struts along the microtubule using ATP as fuel.

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Re: Kratom Withdrawels [Re: Shiithead]
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I'm surprised you'd have much by way of WD's after only two months use.


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Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not.
--Jac O'keeffe

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Re: Kratom Withdrawels [Re: Jokeshopbeard]
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People sometimes brush off how much some people end up ramping up; ending up at 30-40 a day if you're addictive or running from something in 2 months is very doable.


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Back, bitches.
st1lln0x: so i'm on weed, temazepam, adderall, dexedrine, dxm, dph, alcohol, nicotine, caffeine, tryptophan, GABA, and kratom
Cavemen_savemen: st1lln0x, do you feel like a robot yet?
st1lln0x: I feel like a fucking Gundam
Click to friend me on Steam for Counter-Strike
:crankey: IS LIFE SKULLFUCKING YOU!? HAVE SOME FREE MORALE! :awesomenod:
Click if you want to feel you alone can do it! Click if you want to feel confident and beastly! Click if you want courage to let go and move on! And click the message if you need someone to talk to -- I'll understand, even if we "hate" each other on here :hug: :sun:

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Re: Kratom Withdrawels [Re: st1llnox] * 2
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What's fucked up is that 5-6 years ago when kratom started becoming relatively popular here, I would constantly emphasize that Kratom withdrawals are shit.
They are no different than traditional opiate withdrawals, aside from it being a lot less short lived as well as less intense physically and psychologically.

With that said every time I would bring it up, most here would scoff at the idea that Kratom DT's were even possible. Most members would state that the DT's were laughable, and I concur with that compared to traditional opiates, but not laughable to the point where it's fun by any means.

4 years later and we got a bunch of motherfuckers in here that literally cannot get off of Kratom. Conn, for one, cannot quit, but he said his goodbyes to the forum a couple days ago.
I remember one comment recently that someone made stating that his anxiety was so bad after quitting, that he couldn't even talk to people any longer.
And then yesterday I read a thread about someone 5 months clean from it going through PAWS.

Guys, I think it's time that we all actually started to take harm reduction into mind when it comes to Kratom.


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“[...]the only people for me are the mad ones,
the ones who are mad to live, mad to talk,
mad to be saved,
desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars and in the middle you see the blue centerlight pop and everybody goes “Awww!”

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Re: Kratom Withdrawels [Re: st1llnox]
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I worked up to 30g+ a day over a few months when I first came to the states and could get it again.

Had to go cold turkey when I went back to England for a while and I didn't feel a thing.

Obviously that's just me though. Maybe OP has WD's, maybe it's all in his head.


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Let it be seen that you are nothing. And in knowing that you are nothing... there is nothing to lose, there is nothing to gain. What can happen to you? Something can happen to the body, but it will either heal or it won't. What's the big deal? Let life knock you to bits. Let life take you apart. Let life destroy you. It will only destroy what you are not.
--Jac O'keeffe

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Re: Kratom Withdrawels [Re: olson]
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olson said:
kr0nik0 said:
Take 20 grams of creatine, put in a workout (even if you feel like shit), drink as much water as you can, and your w/d's will be almost non-existent within a day or two.


What does the creatine do? I've had great results with creatine for cognitive enhancement but it took about a week of taking it before it started working.


I hope there's someone more qualified than me to answer this question.
But from personal experience, a "large" dose of creatine along with water that is demanded by your body by taking the supplement makes the DT's almost non-existent. But you have to work out with it to achieve the desired effect. To failure, or at least that worked for me not too long ago.

To be fair, I was only dosing for 2 weeks, but over an oz a day. It's worth a try.


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“[...]the only people for me are the mad ones,
the ones who are mad to live, mad to talk,
mad to be saved,
desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars and in the middle you see the blue centerlight pop and everybody goes “Awww!”

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