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Kratom VS Opium (Tea)
    #18832521 - 09/12/13 01:40 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I only use tea and i once made a tar from pods and isoprop alcohol which worked but id rather drink a cup of hot tea. I like the taste.

What are the main differances of opium vs kratom for medication uses like pain relief like i posted about earlier today about me using opium tea to relieve migraine pain. Could i use kratom more often than opium if i needed to or is it as addictive and what are the pain relief properties of kratom compared to opium tea.

I make my tea weak 5-10 pods usually.


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Re: Kratom VS Opium (Tea) [Re: Mrdbrewer]
    #18832537 - 09/12/13 01:45 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I have been using kratom for a year and a half on a daily basis. Personally, I don't have pain issues but I've heard it works amazing at replacing opiates for pain relief.

It's definitely much safer to use than opiates but is still actually addicting. Withdrawals last a few days but are manageable and not near the withdrawals from an opiate.

Essentially, Kratom (Mytragina Speciosa) is directly related to the coffee plant and while not being an opiate, it does hit opioid receptors in a way to make it feel like an opiate.


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Re: Kratom VS Opium (Tea) [Re: Snotfish]
    #18832548 - 09/12/13 01:48 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

sounds like something else i can add to my medication for chronic migraines then.


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Re: Kratom VS Opium (Tea) [Re: Mrdbrewer]
    #18832650 - 09/12/13 02:14 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I would definitely look into it. It's been used (mainly in Asia)for hundreds of years and it's coming off as a very safe substance. Also ODing on it simply includes being dizzy and nauseous but never risking death.

I would say for pain management it would be a great option and much better all around than to be hooked on an opiate. Along with this, at normal levels it's barely intoxicating. I was well respected at a job I had for over a year and also made it on the dean's list at my school. The entire time I was on kratom.


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Re: Kratom VS Opium (Tea) [Re: Snotfish]
    #18832756 - 09/12/13 02:39 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

sounds like a good option for me then


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Re: Kratom VS Opium (Tea) [Re: Mrdbrewer]
    #18832761 - 09/12/13 02:40 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

It is additive but wouldn't be as bad as pod tea. I've still read a lot of reports of withdraw. Some people report daily use for long periods of time without getting withdraws when stopping too:shrug:.
I just started using it a couple weeks ago. Only twice a week so far. The effects seem a little short-lived sometimes. I wasn't using it for pain relief so I don't know how long that will work for.
It definitely took away my muscle/joint/back pain from working though. I wasn't paying that much attention to that aspect so I didn't really log how long it worked.

I think you should give it a try. World seed supply has a new website just for kratom. A lot of them are 25 bucks for four ounces.


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Re: Kratom VS Opium (Tea) [Re: Eggtimer]
    #18832769 - 09/12/13 02:43 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

but shipping to the uk will be?


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Re: Kratom VS Opium (Tea) [Re: Mrdbrewer]
    #18832792 - 09/12/13 02:51 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

ive been using kratom for a good 2 years now for pain and it works great! today was actually the first time i ate some kratom on a small dose and holy shit snacks! 3.5 grams and i was high, no pain, and wired as fuck. my normal intake is around 7 grams. to be honest, im just now coming down a bit. i will now drink some kava.


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Re: Kratom VS Opium (Tea) [Re: Mrdbrewer]
    #18832808 - 09/12/13 02:55 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

My bad, I don't think so.
There should be somewhere to order it from as long as it's not banned there.


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Re: Kratom VS Opium (Tea) [Re: Eggtimer]
    #18832866 - 09/12/13 03:14 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

I always feel sick when I have it. Even at like low doses (2gs).


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Re: Kratom VS Opium (Tea) [Re: weshroom]
    #18832930 - 09/12/13 03:30 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

For some reason the sixth time I did it I threw up. The first time I had nausea. The other times I was fine.
It seems to be if I eat very light before it helps. A completely empty stomach seems to be why I got sick last time. 

That's nothing though compared to my past experiences of throwing up 12 or 13 times on morphine. I'd always throw up at least a few times unless I was lying still in bed.
I guess I have a bitch stomach when it comes to opioids.
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Re: Kratom VS Opium (Tea) [Re: Eggtimer]
    #18833077 - 09/12/13 04:04 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

It made me sort of nauseous at first but now it's quite the opposite. I take it every morning on an empty stomach and it does wonders for killing any hangovers I might be dealing with as well.


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Re: Kratom VS Opium (Tea) [Re: Snotfish]
    #18833382 - 09/12/13 05:18 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

hmm interesting. I made an apple cider vinegar tincture and took 2 grams equivelent but I pretty much felt nausea and that was it. I really have a hard time getting the plain leaf down.


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Re: Kratom VS Opium (Tea) [Re: Mrdbrewer] * 1
    #18833516 - 09/12/13 05:56 PM (10 years, 4 months ago)

Kratom has a broader range of activity, and a broader spectrum of alkaloids compared to pod tea. For management of regular mild to moderate pain, I think kratom is the better choice.



Taking some of this from previous posts of mine.....



As far as the "addictive" aspect....I'd say it depends on what the person is using it for, as in using it for something just to catch a buzz on, or using a fixed amount specifically as medicine & a daily regimen. I think those two different approaches to it make a difference.


That said, it's pretty benign in my experience. I had a more difficult time giving up coffee than I did kratom, even after taking 4g to 8g of kratom everyday for a few months (and I love opiates). When I do take breaks (and I do take regular breaks at least a week long, every month or two), sure I'd like to have a scoop of it, the stuff makes me feel great, but it's easy to go with out for a week or two when needed. I have experienced mild withdrawal for 24 to 72 hours, things like insomnia, runny nose, a little irritable at trivial things. Nothing that some pot and/or green tea can't fix.


Just like cannabis, and many of the medicinal plants, kratom has a broad spectrum of alkaloids with various mechanisms of action that tends to potentiate as well as balance things out...Which I'd say keeps the potential for physical addiction, tolerance, and withdrawal down & somewhat in check.

7-hydroxymitragynine is the only full opioid agonists I believe and it has the shortest half life. The rest of the alkaloids with opioid agonist properties are only partial agonists. Mitraphyline is an nmda antagonist (keeps tolerance down as well as potentiating analgesic effect). Corynantheidine is an opioid antagonists and has a considerably longer half life than the opioid agonists in there.  Corynantheidine is usually found at a ratio in which it doesn't do much in relatively low doses, but it will start to block opioid activity in higher doses. This causes kratom to have what I think I've heard some people call a "ceiling" effect in the dosage response. So taking more past a certain point won't necessarily get you any more intense effects, and will actually bring out more un-wanted dysphoric side effects, headaches, dizziness, nausea, etc...I think all of these things kind of prevent people from doing heavy doses, over dosing, and/or prolonged "abuse" of kratom.



If one were to take 7-hydroxymitragynine isolated with out any of the other alakloids in kratom every day for a prolonged period of time...I have no doubt there would be more side effects as well as more pronounced opioid withdrawal compared to taking the whole leaf of kratom with all the alkloids for the same period of time.



Like everything, people should keep things in moderation :shrug: . Plain leaf instead of extracts/isolates (or extracts only when needed), occasional breaks, and if using daily/regularly keeping the doses consistent is key...and I've found less it more with kratom, most people have a sweet spot in the dosage and for my self it's right around 3g to 6g. I don't understand why some people take 10g to 15g+, unless their leaf is poor potency/quality, or they have a opioid tolerance/low sensitivity.

The feels good, nice balanced sense of well being aspect aside...the stuff seems to have a shat load of anti-oxidants, anti-diabetic properties, anti-cancer properties (like cannabis), the list goes on and on....all sorts of goodness up in that leaf.








Here's the list of alkaloids found in kratom and they're action...


Ajmalicine (Raubasine): Cerebrocirculant, antiaggregant, anti-adrenergic (at alpha-1), sedative, anticonvulsant, smooth muscle relaxer. Also found in Rauwolfia serpentina.

Akuammigine

Ciliaphylline: antitussive, analgesic. < 1% of total alkaloid content found in Kratom leaf.

Corynantheidine: μ -opioid antagonist, also found in Yohimbe. < 1% of total alkaloid content found in Kratom leaf.

Corynoxeine: Calcium channel blocker. < 1% of total alkaloid content found in Kratom leaf.

Corynoxine A and B: Dopamine mediating anti-locomotives. < 1% of total alkaloid content found in Kratom leaf.

Epicatechin: Antioxidant, antiaggregant, antibacterial, antidiabetic,
antihepatitic, anti-inflammatory, anti-leukemic, antimutagenic, antiperoxidant,
antiviral, potential cancer preventative, alpha-amylase inhibitor. Also found in dark chocolate.

9-Hydroxycorynantheidine: Partial opioid agonist

7-hydroxymitragynine: Analgesic, antitussive, antidiarrheal; primary
psychoactive in Kratom, Roughly 2% of total alkaloid content found in Kratom leaf.

Isomitraphylline: Immunostimulant, anti-leukemic. < 1% of total alkaloid content found in Kratom leaf.

Isomitrafoline: < 1% of total alkaloid content found in Kratom leaf.

Isopteropodine: Immunostimulant

Isorhynchophylline: Immunostimulant. < 1% of total alkaloid content found in Kratom leaf.

Isospeciofoline: < 1% of total alkaloid content found in Kratom leaf.

Mitraciliatine: < 1% of total alkaloid content found in Kratom leaf.

Mitragynine: Indole alkaloid. Analgesic, antitussive, antidiarrheal, adrenergic, antimalarial,
possible psychedelic (5-HT2A) antagonist. Roughly 66% of total alkaloid content found in Kratom leaf.

Mitragynine oxindole B. < 1% of total alkaloid content found in Kratom leaf.

Mitrafoline: < 1% of total alkaloid content found in Kratom leaf.

Mitraphylline: Oxindole alkaloid. Vasodilator, antihypertensive, muscle relaxer, diuretic, antiamnesic, anti-leukemic, possible immunostimulant. <1% of total alkaloid contents in Kratom leaf.

Mitraversine

Paynantheine: Indole alkaloid. Smooth muscle relaxer. 8.6% to 9% of total alkaloid contents in Kratom leaf.

Rhynchophylline: Vasodilator, antihypertensive, calcium channel blocker,
antiaggregant, anti-inflammatory, antipyretic, anti-arrhythmic, antithelmintic. < 1% of total alkaloid content found in Kratom leaf.

Speciociliatine: Weak opioid agonist. 0.8% to 1% of total alkaloid content of Kratom leaf, unique to Kratom.

Speciofoline

Speciogynine: Smooth muscle relaxer. 6.6% to 7% of total alkaloid contents of Kratom leaf.

Speciophylline: Indole alkaloid. Anti-leukemic. <1% of total alkaloid contents of Kratom leaf.

Stipulatine

Tetrahydroalstonine: Hypoglycemic, anti-adrenergic (at alpha-2)




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Re: Kratom VS Opium (Tea) [Re: Mrdbrewer]
    #18976423 - 10/14/13 12:40 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Hi,

I just want to say that i currently have a banner advertisement (on Shroomery) offering the best deal online in the world for Kratom.

I also offer free sample including free shipping to everyone (one sample pr household) out October.

I can offer this because i am based in Indonesia, the biggest Kratom exporter in the world and have direct control over the harvest. Check out my home page www.whitestrain.com and register for a free sample.

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Re: Kratom VS Opium (Tea) [Re: Mrdbrewer]
    #18976444 - 10/14/13 12:47 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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sounds like something else i can add to my medication for chronic migraines then.



you should have it on your drug to-do list.

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Re: Kratom VS Opium (Tea) [Re: Mrdbrewer]
    #18976459 - 10/14/13 12:50 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

Thanks for a very good comment Openmind. After studying Kratom i think the broad spectrum is the way to go. I guess the only reason western medicine is not embracing this is because they cannot make cause effect scientific explanation for why it is good. Difficult to explain synergistic effects. I difficult to get FDA approval if you not explain why and how things work.

Personally i usually only use Kratom as part of my medication. I use only like 1-2 grams every day.


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Re: Kratom VS Opium (Tea) [Re: AndreasT]
    #18976467 - 10/14/13 12:52 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

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Hi,

I just want to say that i currently have a banner advertisement (on Shroomery) offering the best deal online in the world for Kratom.

I also offer free sample including free shipping to everyone (one sample pr household) out October.

I can offer this because i am based in Indonesia, the biggest Kratom exporter in the world and have direct control over the harvest. Check out my home page www.whitestrain.com and register for a free sample.

Andres




Just in case anyone is wondering, there has been a massive issue with customs seizing kratom orders directly from Indonesia. The reason you pay more to a regular vendor is that they have gone through the trouble of getting the actual package into the US.

You have 3 posts and are advertising your business via an unrelated thread. I smell a ban coming.


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Re: Kratom VS Opium (Tea) [Re: Snotfish]
    #19031855 - 10/25/13 04:06 PM (10 years, 3 months ago)

At least i support this forum with advertisement and I will continue to do so. So that i mention about my homepage i think is ok. but if it is not according to the rules i will stop it.

So far, i have not had any problem in getting the goods through. using traceable shipping (DHL or EMS), which i do pay for (included in the price) and selling a legal goods with proper documentation...

Of course there is always a risk of new regulation or that the package gets delayed. But, i offer low price wholesale to everyone and that is my business model.


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