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THC Amounts Identical in Most Cannabis Strains
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https://www.labmanager.com/news/2018/10/thc-amounts-identical-in-most-cannabis-strains


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A rose by any other name is still a rose. The same, it turns out, can be said for cannabis.

Newly published research from UBC's Okanagan campus has determined that many strains of cannabis have virtually identical levels of tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) and cannabidiol (CBD), despite their unique street names.

"It is estimated that there are several hundred or perhaps thousands of strains of cannabis currently being cultivated," says professor Susan Murch, who teaches chemistry at UBC Okanagan. "We wanted to know how different they truly are, given the variety of unique and exotic names."

Cannabis breeders have historically selected strains to produce THC, CBD, or both, she explains. But the growers have had limited access to different types of plants and there are few records of the parentage of different strains.

"People have had informal breeding programs for a long time," Murch says. "In a structured program we would keep track of the lineage, such as where the parent plants came from and their characteristics. With unstructured breeding, which is the current norm, particular plants were picked for some characteristic and then given a new name."

Until now, the chemical breakdown of many strains has been unknown because of informal breeding.

Elizabeth Mudge, a doctoral student working with Murch and Paula Brown, Canada Research Chair in Phytoanalytics at the British Columbia Institute of Technology, examined the cannabinoid—a class of chemical compounds that include THC and CBD—profiles of 33 strains of cannabis from five licensed producers.

The research shows that most strains, regardless of their origin or name, had the same amount of THC and CBD. They further discovered that breeding highly potent strains of cannabis impacts the genetic diversity within the crop, but not THC or CBD levels.

However, Mudge says that they found differences in a number of previously unknown cannabinoids—and these newly discovered compounds, present in low quantities, could be related to pharmacological effects and serve as a source of new medicines.

"A high abundance compound in a plant, such as THC or CBD, isn't necessarily responsible for the unique medicinal effects of certain strains," says Mudge. "Understanding the presence of the low abundance cannabinoids could provide valuable information to the medical cannabis community."

Currently licensed producers are only required to report THC and CBD values. But Murch says her new research highlights that the important distinguishing chemicals in cannabis strains are not necessarily being analyzed and may not be fully identified.

Murch says while patients are using medical cannabis for a variety of reasons, they actually have very little information on how to base their product choice. This research is a first step toward establishing an alternative approach to classifying medical cannabis and providing consumers with better information.

Murch's research was recently published in Nature's Scientific Reports.




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Re: THC Amounts Identical in Most Cannabis Strains [Re: Stupendous-Yappi]
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I've been saying this for years now. There's too much commercialism. Too many goofy gimmicky strain names and not enough access to the genetic information for breeders and growers. I tried googling for places in legal states to get clones or seeds, and I had to sift through hundreds of ads for places that exclusively sold edibles or smokable and edible products but no seeds or clones. So I gave up.

Might as well stick with the old companies. Great article. It would be nice if the article gave the numbers and compound names though.

To me it's almost a disaster that they legalized it under certain conditions on a state level, because it became an overly commercialized industry. If they'd just federally legalize it, no restrictions on the cultivation or consumption for adults, we'd speed up the research on it. We'd be able to know damn near everything about it in a much shorter period of time.

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Re: THC Amounts Identical in Most Cannabis Strains [Re: Necropolis]
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Whatabout terpine profiles though


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Re: THC Amounts Identical in Most Cannabis Strains [Re: trvptamine]
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It would be nice if the article gave the numbers and compound names though.



The article links to the paper with that info.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-018-31120-2#Sec8


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Re: THC Amounts Identical in Most Cannabis Strains [Re: Stupendous-Yappi]
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Interesting but not all that surprising to me, I remember reading a long time ago that how the marijuana was grown often effected potency just as much as the strain genetics. Sometimes buying the same strain from one dispensary vs another will land different potency weed. To me strain matters more in the sense of indica vs sativa effects, not necessarily potency.


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Re: THC Amounts Identical in Most Cannabis Strains [Re: Peyote Road] * 1
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I call bullshit.

Cannabinoid profiles vary and vary a lot.  They give no evidenc at all.


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Re: THC Amounts Identical in Most Cannabis Strains [Re: Morel Guy] * 1
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Morel Guy said:
I call bullshit.

Cannabinoid profiles vary and vary a lot.  They give no evidenc at all.



"Murch says while patients are using medical cannabis for a variety of reasons, they actually have very little information on how to base their product choice. This research is a first step toward establishing an alternative approach to classifying medical cannabis and providing consumers with better information."

i bet their angle is to try and refit the whole testing process with their model.

can't really base anything off of 33 strains from 5 vendors, if they are all top self quality of course there will not be much deviancy in potency.


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Re: THC Amounts Identical in Most Cannabis Strains [Re: Morel Guy] * 1
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This seems BS, from the paper they link:



Maybe I am misunderstanding but I believe those graphs show the concentration of different cannabinoids in different strains.

Then here are the results from the tests:

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Two cannabinoids for which standards were obtained, CDBV and CBL, were not detected in any strain. The 11 remaining cannabinoids with available chemical reference standards were identified and quantified. THCA content ranged from 0.76 to 20.71% w/w, with almost a linear increase in content from the lowest to highest strain with an r2 of 0.97, while CBDA content ranged from <MDL to 18.11% w/w, with the highest CBDA strains having the lowest THCA contents (Fig. 1). In THC abundant strains the CBDA levels were less than 0.15%, while in CBD abundant strains the content was greater than 5%. THC, the decarboxylated form of THCA was present in strains from <LOQ up to 2% by weight in some strains, while CBD contents ranged from <MDL to 0.8%. CBD was most prevalent in high CBDA strains. In addition, 7 cannabinoids present at lower levels were quantified using individual calibration standards: THCV, CBG, CBN, CBC, CDBVA, CBGA and Δ8-THC.



Then there's this graph which shows unkown cannabinoids found in high CBD strains:



I didn't read the full article/paper but the data doesn't seem to match the headline's claim :shrug:


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Re: THC Amounts Identical in Most Cannabis Strains [Re: musiclover420]
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We know that synergy of cannabinoids and ir ither drugs are very important.  They don't really understand that in modern western pharmacology.


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Re: THC Amounts Identical in Most Cannabis Strains [Re: Morel Guy]
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just to comment:

i am tired of all the phony strain names. i bought club weed yesterday that was called "Bobblehead".. honestly, i think it is a good marketing ploy when your target audience is titilated by new, random-sounding bud names.. but for me, i just like to call it cannabis. good weed is distinguishable from not-so-good weed.. but it's all just weed.


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Re: THC Amounts Identical in Most Cannabis Strains [Re: split_by_nine]
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split_by_nine said:
just to comment:

i am tired of all the phony strain names. i bought club weed yesterday that was called "Bobblehead".. honestly, i think it is a good marketing ploy when your target audience is titilated by new, random-sounding bud names.. but for me, i just like to call it cannabis. good weed is distinguishable from not-so-good weed.. but it's all just weed.



Names can be useful with hybrids when they are used properly. Makes it easy to know what the parent plants were.

But then you have people straight up renaming strains and making shit up. I knew a guy years ago who was a big hari krishna dude, and he'd grow bud and rename them with weird krishna names to sell to his friends...


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Re: THC Amounts Identical in Most Cannabis Strains [Re: musiclover420] * 2
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Re: THC Amounts Identical in Most Cannabis Strains [Re: musiclover420]
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Little too much misinformation in this article; more on the writer/interviewer as there are several contradictions between quotes form Susan Murch (chemistry professor at UBC Okanagn) and several statements in the article from the writer. 

"A high abundance compound in a plant, such as THC or CBD, isn't necessarily responsible for the unique medicinal effects of certain strains," says Mudge. "Understanding the presence of the low abundance cannabinoids could provide valuable information to the medical cannabis community."

  CBD for one is referenced several times in this article as at the most part identical in effect.(She even says at oint point she has personally worked with 33 defferent isolated CBD's when there's  literally hundreds of different cannabinoids throughout all the different strains of indica, sativa, and ruderalis that have bred aggressively for decades. The higher content and spectrum of CBD's are in many ways giving opposite effects given from pure THC (in both THC-7 & THC-9. They have a natural balance in many original (old-school strains) where as the more breeding takes place the more unique variety of highs become available.


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Re: THC Amounts Identical in Most Cannabis Strains [Re: O_Dweeds]
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Terpine profiles (and genetics) are what make cannabis strains unique, not thc content. Some lower thc bud is preferable to high thc bud because of unique terpines or higher levels of more rarer cannabinoids (there are hundreds)

Edited by FractalMind (10/13/18 02:36 AM)

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Re: THC Amounts Identical in Most Cannabis Strains [Re: FractalMind]
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I dont know how much i believe that strains contain 30-almost 40% thc. That is probably marketing. all i can say is good sources seem to have consistent levels of thc, strains may vary but most will be about the same actual potency, thats my experience. Most "good bud" i get i just consider good bud. Not like tier 1, 2, and 3 good bud.

Sure theres variation, and a whole lot of marketing, obv mostly from legal products


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Re: THC Amounts Identical in Most Cannabis Strains [Re: Fractal420] * 1
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All flower gets tested before it's sold commercially.


That's where they get their thc % from. 

This article doesn't make.sense


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Re: THC Amounts Identical in Most Cannabis Strains [Re: Big Worm]
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^i believe those arent exact numbers. Rather an average, someone was explaining it recently in the dank thread. Apparently even the legal state labels can vary a whole lot in regards to the actual cannabis batch youre getting

But hey, whatever. Also, most of the country is black market, no tags with % written on it. Alot of that stuff is imported tho, just unknown at that point. I bet most dank across the country is about the same level. I travel from one coast to the other fairly often


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Re: THC Amounts Identical in Most Cannabis Strains [Re: split_by_nine]
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split_by_nine said:
just to comment:

i am tired of all the phony strain names. i bought club weed yesterday that was called "Bobblehead".. honestly, i think it is a good marketing ploy when your target audience is titilated by new, random-sounding bud names.. but for me, i just like to call it cannabis. good weed is distinguishable from not-so-good weed.. but it's all just weed.



I feel ya on that sorta. Most weed is the same. However, I have street light interference syndrome, and I can say for a fact, certain strains make me affect electronics way more than others. Lights start going on and off around me, computers crash, etc. I don't get that with every strain, and I've put it down to terpenes, which are highly volatile and many are psychoactive.

The curing process partially determines the terpene profile of the herb. That's why it boggles my mind when people have these expensive grow operations but they don't take humidity or temperature into account when curing or growing. The higher the temp when curing, the faster terpenes bleed out and you might as well just smoke dabs in that case if you're screwing up the cure.

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Re: THC Amounts Identical in Most Cannabis Strains [Re: Necropolis]
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Yeah nearly 40% sounds ridiculous though. How can a plant be 40% thc? Damn near half of it would be thc at that point.


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Re: THC Amounts Identical in Most Cannabis Strains [Re: trvptamine]
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trvptamine said:
Yeah nearly 40% sounds ridiculous though. How can a plant be 40% thc? Damn near half of it would be thc at that point.



I've always assumed it means "40% of the cannabinoids are THC" not that the bud itself is literally 40% THC.

Even 25% THC would be pretty obscene, that would be 1/4th pure THC which even in resin form would be obscene.

There's dank hash that is only 40-50% THC but still super potent and delicious.


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