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Good Dose for Introspection
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Hey everyone!

My friend and I have been using psychedelics for quite a while now, but usually only when we're out and about. However, we recently decided that we would like to get together, take a dose of mushrooms and sit in a dark room for a while for some nice thought. I suppose we should take a higher dose than usual in order to increase our chances of attaining some insight. Since we usually take about an eighth of dry mushrooms, how much should we take to really become immersed in our thoughts? We don't necessarily need to be functional and don't mind a really strong experience.

Thanks a million.


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Re: Good Dose for Introspection [Re: Golosa55]
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An 8th should be plenty for some introspection if you both don't distract each other by talking. That's the hard part.

Lots of people just lack the ability to sit quietly and let the mind wander.

Edited by ChemicalSpark (09/24/18 03:06 PM)

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Re: Good Dose for Introspection [Re: ChemicalSpark]
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If you really want to sink into your own mind trip alone in the dark.

There's no escape then, it's all just you.


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Re: Good Dose for Introspection [Re: Golosa55]
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Try 5g.


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Re: Good Dose for Introspection [Re: Cody2C]
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We're both pretty good at shutting the fuck up if necessary. I do, however, have compulsive laughter when I'm really tripping hard, so what we might do is turn off the lights then put on headphones/earplugs and a sleeping mask to really tune out.

I do mean doses, though, more than environment.

I was thinking about 5g would be good, but I'm not sure. Anyone else have input?


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Re: Good Dose for Introspection [Re: ChemicalSpark]
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ChemicalSpark said:
An 8th should be plenty for some introspection if you both don't distract each other by talking. That's the hard part.

Some people just completely lack the ability to sit quietly and let the mind wander.


I'll second that, and also further by saying that I've had great introspection with only 2.4 grams when I had almost no tolerance. Its more to do with staying focused than anything. I've found being alone and keeping a trip log is most effective.


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Re: Good Dose for Introspection [Re: Weebl8bob]
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I second 5 grams. Go heroic

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Re: Good Dose for Introspection [Re: kabel]
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I'm not sure you are asking the right question for your desired outcome.

I think set and setting are more key really for introspection than dosage. Intention even.

3g in silent darkness alone after a quiet afternoon of no media at all will be far more powerful in psychological terms than eating the same with your friend after conversation and other stimulation.

Upping the dosage will not change your mindset, only the intensity.


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Re: Good Dose for Introspection [Re: Golosa55]
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I actually would advise 3 or 3.5 grams over 5 grams or a heroic dose. IMO the psilocybin experience is largely impersonal and is more about the mushroom itself than about me, especially in the higher doses so I say stick to the medium doses.

In the higher dose range the mushroom doesn't want to waste its time evaluating the psychology and well being of some random space monkey. At that point (in a high dose shroom trip) your existence in general is going to seem so relative.

That's referring to introspection though and self-analysis which relates to your title. It doesn't seem your title and your description were exactly commensurate. I didn't see you talk about introspection in your descriptive question at all and "getting immersed in thoughts" is so vague and clearly possible with any dose so I'm not sure what you mean or if you even know what you mean when you say introspection or insight. Which one is it?

Edited by AuroraBorealis88 (09/25/18 01:40 PM)

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Re: Good Dose for Introspection [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
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5g. :yesnod:


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Re: Good Dose for Introspection [Re: grati]
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Are you opposed to lsd?

If you want to be in control of your thoughts then it might suit you guys better.

If not, I would say 3-3.5g might do it


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Re: Good Dose for Introspection [Re: Enkidu]
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Imo the higher the dose of mushrooms.the further away you will drift from.your immediate surroundings, that being said,the come down from a strong mushroom trip can be a good time for sitting, talking, discussing


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Re: Good Dose for Introspection [Re: Enkidu]
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I suppose I could've been clearer about exactly what I was looking for. Sorry.

Now that my friend and I have talked it through a little more, she has decided to lean more for introspection at a 3 g dose, while I'm in it more for insight this time. I'm probably gonna take 5.


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Re: Good Dose for Introspection [Re: Golosa55]
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Your goals don't make sense.

Mushrooms do what they want, you have no choice or say in the matter.

Just my opinion.

Lsd you have more control and say imo.

Good luck, hope it works out for you.


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Re: Good Dose for Introspection [Re: Golosa55]
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Golosa55 said:
Now that my friend and I have talked it through a little more, she has decided to lean more for introspection at a 3 g dose, while I'm in it more for insight this time. I'm probably gonna take 5.



Sounds like a good plan  :seriousthumbsup:  :tripping2:

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Re: Good Dose for Introspection [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
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I’ve been introspective on one hit of acid before.

I think it’s your set and setting that cause this, not the dosage although it could help a bit I suppose.

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Re: Good Dose for Introspection [Re: Grey6Bard] * 1
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Every trip is different. Take mushrooms hope you are blessed with a great trip. There is no dose that achieves what you want, mushrooms could care less about what you want buddy


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Re: Good Dose for Introspection [Re: Straight Mush]
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Grey6Bard said:
I’ve been introspective on one hit of acid before.

I think it’s your set and setting that cause this, not the dosage although it could help a bit I suppose.


I'm not sure I understand the pull of that sentiment given your overly conventional example. Introspection from a hit of acid is about expectable as you can get. That's a very normal effect to have after taking a hit of acid so I'm not sure what relevance that bears.

Not to mention low doses in particular are known for being disproportionally introspective anyways, both with mushrooms and LSD so I really don't see the significance.

Who's to say it's just set and setting dependent anyway? I would argue for some like myself it's most dependent on the actual substance.


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Every trip is different. Take mushrooms hope you are blessed with a great trip. There is no dose that achieves what you want, mushrooms could care less about what you want buddy


Even if "the mushroom" doesn't "care" what you want that doesn't necessarily mean there is no dosage to achieve what you want. In fact to suggest the outcome or effects can't be controlled to a desirable measure with dosage is somewhat outlandish. Do you know how drugs work? I very well know what psilocybin does and doesn't do in certain doses. It isn't as random or as arbitrary as some of you try to make it seem. There are believe it or not; optimal dosages for certain contexts such as depression, PTSD, sex, sociability, hunting, cognitive enhancements, among other elements.

If anything your point about the mushroom not caring what you want supports my claims about it being dosage dependent and the higher the dose the less "personal" in an overall sense. That would make sense given your view because the higher you dose the more it becomes about mushroom and what it's all about. As you dose higher on psilocybin you become smaller and smaller until you are completely irrelevant.

Also I would be careful getting tangled up in semantics here... You say mushrooms doesn't give you what you want which I would agree with but just because you got introspection and you wanted introspection doesn't exactly mean you "got what you wanted" or what you were looking for. Not all kinds of introspection are pleasant or called for.

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Re: Good Dose for Introspection [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
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In general all trips are different even on same dosage and batch. The more you take the more intense that experience gets is my general understanding when consuming mushrooms which isn't necessarily true if you factor in other variables like set setting tolerance sensitivity to name a few. You can take a smaller dose and trip balls and then take what's considered a large dose and not get to the same level. This is my personal experience but I've also read others who've experienced the same thing


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Re: Good Dose for Introspection [Re: Straight Mush]
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Straight Mush said:
In general all trips are different even on same dosage and batch.


Only in their content. In their underlying themes and lessons and archetypes, shroom trips are basically always the same.

That's why it bothers me when people say there is no similarity between trips because they insist "every trip is different". Yes every mushroom trip is "different" but at the end of the day it's still a mushroom experience. It's still the same world. Same story, same agenda essentially.

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The more you take the more intense that experience gets is my general understanding when consuming mushrooms which isn't necessarily true if you factor in other variables like set setting tolerance sensitivity to name a few.


I mean that's a pretty vague sentiment, probably even an unsatisfactory one if I'm being honest because it doesn't tell us much. What does that even mean anyways? Yes things can get more intense with dosage but can you explain more? Because it would not be correct to say all the symptoms of a low dose are present with higher doses just to a greater extent. Some effects appear in the medium dose range and some disappear in the medium dose range. Some effects appear in only high doses and some disappear right when you get into high doses.



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You can take a smaller dose and trip balls and then take what's considered a large dose and not get to the same level. This is my personal experience but I've also read others who've experienced the same thing


I'm not sure I understand your point here. I have had similar experiences to this so therefore I wouldn't disagree with this claim. It doesn't contradict anything I've said.

If you're using this argument to perpetuate the notion that dosage doesn't matter that much... again, completely missing the point. A random powerful trip on a low dose happens to everyone. It's not special and those obviously aren't the trips I'm referring to. That's a known effect of both mushrooms and ayahuasca, being able to take you very far with only small doses. That's because once you've taken large doses you can return to those same places with much smaller amounts.

Also just because you have an intense experience on a low dose of mushrooms doesn't mean you'll automatically get the effects of higher doses as well (such as sexual arousal or deep healing from trauma or depression).

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