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Re: Controversial opinion time [Re: unam sanctum]
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"NIST reported (NIST NCSTAR 1-5A) that just before 9:52 a.m., a bright spot appeared at the top of a window on the 80th floor of WTC 2, four windows removed from the east edge on the north face, followed by the flow of a glowing liquid. This flow lasted approximately four seconds before subsiding. Many such liquid flows were observed from near this location in the seven minutes leading up to the collapse of this tower. There is no evidence of similar molten liquid pouring out from another location in WTC 2 or from anywhere within WTC 1.

Photographs, as well as NIST simulations of the aircraft impact, show large piles of debris in the 80th and 81st floors of WTC 2 near the site where the glowing liquid eventually appeared. Much of this debris came from the aircraft itself and from the office furnishings that the aircraft pushed forward as it tunneled to this far end of the building. Large fires developed on these piles shortly after the aircraft impact and continued to burn in the area until the tower collapsed.

NIST concluded that the source of the molten material was aluminum alloys from the aircraft, since these are known to melt between 475 degrees Celsius (900 degrees Fahrenheit) and 640 degrees Celsius (1,200 degrees Fahrenheit)—depending on the particular alloy—well below the expected temperatures (about 1,000 degrees Celsius or 1,800 degrees Fahrenheit) in the vicinity of the fires. Aluminum is not expected to ignite at normal fire temperatures and there is no visual indication that the material flowing from the tower was burning.

Pure liquid aluminum would be expected to appear silvery. However, the molten metal was very likely mixed with large amounts of hot, partially burned, solid organic materials (e.g., furniture, carpets, partitions and computers) which can display an orange glow, much like logs burning in a fireplace. The apparent color also would have been affected by slag formation on the surface."

https://www.nist.gov/el/faqs-nist-wtc-towers-investigation

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Re: Controversial opinion time [Re: Apples in Mono]
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No, the aluminum mixed with partly burned organic material theory has been debunked. You can't mix wood, paper, etc with molten al, its too dense and will not mix with that junk. The whole stream was glowing orange just like steel which it was.

If the debris was 800f the next day, how could that be from a simple fire? What about the thermite found in the debris?

MM
>How many other buildings have had planes fly directly into them? And was left to burn for hours on end?

You mean like #7? it was not hit by anything yet collapsed in near perfect free fall. There are hundreds of millions of steel frame buildings in the world, thousands of them catch fire every year. You mean to tell me this whole crowd with their search skills can't find even one example where a fire caused it to collapse? Let alone go into free fall all parts of the building at once. Also there were puffs of smoke seen coming out

Buildings have burned for days on end without a collapse. No one can show me a steel building going into free fall without demolition. Try, you can't do it.


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Re: Controversial opinion time [Re: Stonehenge]
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Stonehenge said:
Buildings have burned for days on end without a collapse. No one can show me a steel building going into free fall without demolition. Try, you can't do it.


It's never happened before or after.

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Re: Controversial opinion time [Re: unam sanctum] * 1
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unam sanctum said:
Stonehenge said:
Buildings have burned for days on end without a collapse. No one can show me a steel building going into free fall without demolition. Try, you can't do it.


It's never happened before or after.


The Plasco Building in Tehran was completed in 1962 and was a steel- frame high-rise.  Collapsed from only a fire.  No massive impact from a plane that knocked off insulation, like the WTC.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/tehran-s-iconic-plasco-building-collapses-after-fire-iran-state-n708721

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Re: Controversial opinion time [Re: Stonehenge]
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Stonehenge said:
No, the aluminum mixed with partly burned organic material theory has been debunked. You can't mix wood, paper, etc with molten al, its too dense and will not mix with that junk. The whole stream was glowing orange just like steel which it was.

If the debris was 800f the next day, how could that be from a simple fire? What about the thermite found in the debris?

MM
>How many other buildings have had planes fly directly into them? And was left to burn for hours on end?

You mean like #7? it was not hit by anything yet collapsed in near perfect free fall. There are hundreds of millions of steel frame buildings in the world, thousands of them catch fire every year. You mean to tell me this whole crowd with their search skills can't find even one example where a fire caused it to collapse? Let alone go into free fall all parts of the building at once. Also there were puffs of smoke seen coming out

Buildings have burned for days on end without a collapse. No one can show me a steel building going into free fall without demolition. Try, you can't do it.



Link me to these debunkings, professor.

The over 800f were the temps of fires that were still burning.

No thermite was found.

WTC 7

Edited by Apples in Mono (04/14/18 10:06 PM)

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Re: Controversial opinion time [Re: Dagr]
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Dagr said:
unam sanctum said:
Stonehenge said:
Buildings have burned for days on end without a collapse. No one can show me a steel building going into free fall without demolition. Try, you can't do it.


It's never happened before or after.


The Plasco Building in Tehran was completed in 1962 and was a steel- frame high-rise.  Collapsed from only a fire.  No massive impact from a plane that knocked off insulation, like the WTC.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/tehran-s-iconic-plasco-building-collapses-after-fire-iran-state-n708721


It would be in Iran.  Out of multiple high rise steel framed buildings, a sum total of 1 has collapsed, due to fire alone.  Not gonna argue it.  Nearly 3k civil engineers agree,  Bush knocked down those towers.

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Re: Controversial opinion time [Re: unam sanctum]
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Im gonna win the lottery.

Controversial opinion. :laugh:


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Re: Controversial opinion time [Re: unam sanctum] * 1
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unam sanctum said:
Dagr said:
unam sanctum said:
Stonehenge said:
Buildings have burned for days on end without a collapse. No one can show me a steel building going into free fall without demolition. Try, you can't do it.


It's never happened before or after.


The Plasco Building in Tehran was completed in 1962 and was a steel- frame high-rise.  Collapsed from only a fire.  No massive impact from a plane that knocked off insulation, like the WTC.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/tehran-s-iconic-plasco-building-collapses-after-fire-iran-state-n708721


It would be in Iran.  Out of multiple high rise steel framed buildings, a sum total of 1 has collapsed, due to fire alone.  Not gonna argue it.  Nearly 3k civil engineers agree,  Bush knocked down those towers.


That's at least 2 now. How far you guys gonna keep pushing these goalposts?

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Re: Controversial opinion time [Re: Apples in Mono]
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Nope still one of a kind

>No thermite was found
Apples, read the twin towers and wtc threads. All the documentation is there. Thermite was found

As for the fire in tehran, we don't know the details, how long it burned or why so fiercely. However its totally different, it did not collapse in the same way as 7. Not even close

It did not go into free fall, did not collapse into its own footprint, and instead burned fiercely for a long time. Then kind of keeled over. You can still see the wall on the other side and many features are visible like windows. Contrast that to 7 which went into perfect free fall and fell straight down. #7 turned into dust basically, do you see that in this other photo? Also 7 did not burn for days and was not engulfed in flames like the tehran one. The tehran one was still about 3 or 4 stories high even after it fell over and the fire was out. Not a pile of dust.

It does show that steel frame buildings are not indestructible, it does not show anything close to what allegedly happened in nyc.


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Re: Controversial opinion time [Re: Stonehenge]
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I'm not reading through a bunch of conspiracy theory forum threads. If the evidence is so readily available then you should have no problem linking it.

And no one is claiming that any other building collapsed in exactly the fashion that WTC 7 did- just that WTC 7 did. This is about one particular building

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Re: Controversial opinion time [Re: Apples in Mono]
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Apples in Mono said:
That's at least 2 now. How far you guys gonna keep pushing these goalposts?


Until we get to your grandmother's bedroom.

In all seriousness, steel buildings do not succumb to fire.  When they have, it's a matter of floor connectors and shit may fall a story or two.  There has never, EVER been a total collapse at free fall pace like we saw with the WTC on 9/11

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Re: Controversial opinion time [Re: MushMaggot]
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MushMaggot said:
Jokeshopbeard said:
Vegemite is better than Marmite.


Get f*cked! vegemite is ass


Fuck everybody tbh this thread was about Kool Keith vs. Del fuck all of you guys.

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Re: Controversial opinion time [Re: Robo]
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Robo Shaman said:
MushMaggot said:
Jokeshopbeard said:
Vegemite is better than Marmite.


Get f*cked! vegemite is ass


Fuck everybody tbh this thread was about Kool Keith vs. Del fuck all of you guys.


I'm sorry, are they supposed to be the cornerstone of hip hop? FFS we can do better than them.  Black Star comes to mind off the cusp.

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Re: Controversial opinion time [Re: unam sanctum]
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unam sanctum said:
I'm sorry, are they supposed to be the cornerstone of hip hop? FFS we can do better than them.  Black Star comes to mind off the cusp.


No Rakim is the corner stone of hip hop because that’s what elite hip hop heads say.

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Re: Controversial opinion time [Re: Robo] * 1
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Robo Shaman said:
unam sanctum said:
I'm sorry, are they supposed to be the cornerstone of hip hop? FFS we can do better than them.  Black Star comes to mind off the cusp.


No Rakim is the corner stone of hip hop because that’s what elite hip hop heads say.


you're thinking of Will Smith

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Re: Controversial opinion time [Re: unam sanctum]
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Get Jiggy with it most underrated song ever it’s quite possible.

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Re: Controversial opinion time [Re: Robo]
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I don't support our troops or respect them in any way. They're all signing up for college, false promises of a stabilized future, patriotism for a country run by shitty morals, etc. And they're taking lives for greedy people and corporations in return.

Fuck the troops and everything they stand for.

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Re: Controversial opinion time [Re: Sir Selzir] * 1
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and fuck you too!

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Re: Controversial opinion time [Re: Sir Selzir]
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Sir Selzir said:
I don't support our troops or respect them in any way. They're all signing up for college, false promises of a stabilized future, patriotism for a country run by shitty morals, etc. And they're taking lives for greedy people and corporations in return.

Fuck the troops and everything they stand for.


They stand for you, your freedom and security, knowing you dont understand or appreciate it

Fuck all that right? :lol:

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Re: Controversial opinion time [Re: Repertoire89]
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Yeah, because Syria is a huge threat to our security and freedom, right?

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