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Re: Johns Hopkins DMT Entity Survey [Re: openmind]
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Damn that cop story is crazy!

Im convinced entities are some kind of spiritual being or aliens in UFOs.

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Re: Johns Hopkins DMT Entity Survey [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 2
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Yeah I've only perceived beings trying to communicate with me a couple times. But the feeling of a "presence" is almost always there, even before the breakthrough. It has been a while though.

Not that I believe there is an actual presence.  I mean, you don't have to be crazy to see things on drugs.

Edited by cannabinated (03/03/18 04:41 AM)

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Re: Johns Hopkins DMT Entity Survey [Re: cannabinated] * 2
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When I had a homemade ayahuasca brew I had no clue what I was getting myself into.

Laying in bed with all the lights off was the most intense experience I've had, I couldn't know if I was dreaming, hallucinating or if I was awake. I could feel a feminine presence, it made me feel loved at one point and at another point it made me scared. It felt ancient and it was prodding my brain, teasing me with ideas good and bad and some very fucking deranged.

When I started to panic a bit I decided to go on my phone and I was able to distract myself until I fell asleep.

DMT can be crazy.


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Re: Johns Hopkins DMT Entity Survey [Re: WhereDidTheBeesGo] * 2
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My wife Traveled the cosmos. Maybe you folks could help me ascertain whAt it was exactly that she was high on. All I can tell you is whAt she told me. And what she tells.me sounds similar to a dmt. Except it was on something sold as E.  But it definitely wasn't mdma or even mda. They were tweetie birds that were in the shape of twettie bird. And a jar was all birds. But they were all different colors.

Anyways I had a weird experience on these rolls at 3. At one point felt like whAt I was doing at that very moment I had done before. Over and over.  Like a hyper de jars vu. And it led me to believe I was outside my body. My wife saw the look on my face and was like how many did u eat.  I tried to say 3 but my hand came up with 3 fingers on it. Then just as soon as it had come it left.  I was back in my body. The hyper de ja vu feeling was the out of body feeling. Anyways my wife ate another one after seeing me and That got her into a unique but basically unresponsive state. Eyes were open. She could make noises. But not formulate sentences. Sometimes maybe a word.

When. She came.back she had totaLly left her body. And not just into the room her body was in. She said to me.  Bub. Don't cry. I as crying historically at that point. But she goes don't cry bub. I'm back. She goes I fell from the tree life. I've been reborn. She goes there was a deep freeze at one point. And there were pod ppl too she said. I forgot that. And she said she was a pod person too. And all the pod ppl fell from the tree of life . She goes it was weird. I'm like babe look where u are. I had her in the tube with ice cubes all over.the place..


Fucking RCs. Being sold as other shut is one of the worst things we as brother and sister can do to one another. I don't mind RCs. Just fucking tell me. Lol.

Oh and my wife speaks of a I don't know if it's a entity. But a presence.  And it had a name Tanya lol. So weird

These rolls in the beginning felt similar to E on lower doses. Higher doses. Anything more then 2 becomes very visual. But not for long. Maybe a hour or 2


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Edited by Yesum (03/03/18 06:23 AM)

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Re: Johns Hopkins DMT Entity Survey [Re: thetechnician]
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thetechnician said:
I find it hard to believe that so many of you have not encountered entities on your journeys! What do you experience if you don't encounter other beings? I frequently encounter a variety of entities, spirits, aliens, and usually experience a type of telepathy receiving messages. My logical brain is inclined to believe that these are all part of the experience, but my heart/spirit wants to believe that these are real, or at least meaningful hallucinations.

I took the survey, but I had trouble only focusing on one experience. I've had so many. Here's a few off the top of my head:

My last experience was with a sort of octopus like god being. It was very dark, and it emanated a supreme power. It was more neutral, slightly more negative. Not evil, but more like an I was an ant, perceiving a human - a potential threat. It didn't really communicate, just radiate an all powerful vibe. I never felt so humbled. I returned from the experience in tears.

I experienced a primary alien with small aliens of the same shape rapidly jumping behind it. It had an angular face, morphing body, limbs, and everything was so rapid. It was holding a box (gift/tool) of some sort. I kept on focusing on the box. I received a telepathic message that the human perception can be hijacked, as we can't look away and take it for what it really can be used for. I failed miserably.

I also was transported to a library/machine of sorts. Tall walls arranged like rows at a library - yellow, orange, and red. Seated at various points on this machine were little workers operating it. They could sense my presence, but it was insignificant compared to the importance of what they were doing. The machine had a sort of rhythm to it. Pulsing, and their actions influenced it. Every few seconds, blocks would turn within it, and a pulsing could be observed. I just observed this for the duration of the experience.

Lots of other "common" experiences with what I call "spirits" usually radiating energy of female, love, etc. They flock to you, and seem to play with you. Sometimes they communicate, sometimes we have a language barrier.




so, you met cthulhu rite there ?

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Re: Johns Hopkins DMT Entity Survey [Re: Yesum] * 1
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Sounds kinda like  5-aco-dmt to me.

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Re: Johns Hopkins DMT Entity Survey [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
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They were the weirdest rolls ever. Evrytime id do 1, I'd get a different feeling from it.

Sorry guys.  Not trying to derail.


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Re: Johns Hopkins DMT Entity Survey [Re: cannabinated] * 1
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IMO Don't get into this before you do the survey (if you do it at all):

What is this notion that you couldn't possibly analyze experiences to see if there are patterns that can help elucidate how they may be brought about?

While my encounters have felt very convincing (suspiciously so actually), I think there are plenty of reasons to think they are projections and illusions. I think the entities being projections integrates well with other known psychedelic effects such as synaesthesia.

Two ways such effects can arise may be from (artificial / chemical) stimulation of certain detection circuits in our brains, for example for detection of living beings / a presence or entity, faces (FFA) or eyes. We have evolved to (attempt to) detect e.g. predators in the jungle. The second way is probably more like synaesthesia where there is 'inappropriate' chatter between brain circuits interpreting the signals of one another.
I think this ties into other specialized brain circuits like the cortical homunculus as well, we are highly adapted in our perception of ourselves and others.

We should really use synaesthesia as an exemplary model: it can already explain some more straightforward experiences of one sensation being interpreted as another (like sound as vision) but it gets really interesting if you apply this to more complicated percepts.
If you include emotions or social cues, you can actually form a hypothesis for the perception of auras, is one example.

Telepathic communication (which is also mentioned in the study) can also be explained in this model: rather than communicating at a distance with an entity which seems separate from you this is simply integral communication with a projection in your mind, i.e. not separate at all.

The malleability of the experiences I've had just seems to reflect that it happens in the mind where we have these fluid models.

Actual entities should not be so extremely variable and personal as DMT encounters are.


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    Re: Johns Hopkins DMT Entity Survey [Re: Solipsis] * 1
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    Having done the survey now, I found it quite analytical. More about how I felt about what I saw, what I think it actually was and how it has effected me in the long term. Even though there was a small section where I could make explain what I saw, it clearly wasn't an individual psychoanalysis survey.

    It'll be good to see the results published, to get a better understanding of how these things effect people and what they think really happened.


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    Re: Johns Hopkins DMT Entity Survey [Re: Solipsis] * 1
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    i met inter dimensional pirates........ ive never heard this before.

    on a side note i just last night vaporized at least 70 mg in a vapor genie and no enity contact...easily three times what ive had entitys on.


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    Re: Johns Hopkins DMT Entity Survey [Re: psilly the kid] * 2
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    I think once you get to a point, the chemical is essentially just a door bell.  Salvia dosages were wildly inconsistent with results.  There were days when I would pound down the smoke trying to get somewhere only to get the ground base tingles and eye static and then other days hit a 1/4 full pipe of ‘leftovers’ and get rocked, full on transport.  For this reason I refer to salvia as more a burnt offering than it is something like alcohol or cannabis where the exact dose more or less equals an exact effect that you could base trust on.

    Sometimes there just isnt anyone home, other days the door is wide open and everyone is invited.  That’s what plays with my mind on the “are they real” debate.  They act just like real lifeforms in that, sometimes they’re happy, other times quiet, you can actually piss them off or make them happy.  Sometimes it’s like they’re too busy to talk and other times jabber on like a monkey in a tree.  It really is a strange thing to get from basically just smoking a plant.  And there’s only a few things like that.

    That’s what makes it semi bittersweet about being entirely too smart at this point to ever go deep into datura.  Curiosity has it that I would love to know first hand how those cigarette smoking conversations present themselves, but that’s an entirely different category all together in my opinion.


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    Re: Johns Hopkins DMT Entity Survey [Re: thetechnician]
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    thetechnician said:
    I find it hard to believe that so many of you have not encountered entities on your journeys! What do you experience if you don't encounter other beings? I frequently encounter a variety of entities, spirits, aliens, and usually experience a type of telepathy receiving messages. My logical brain is inclined to believe that these are all part of the experience, but my heart/spirit wants to believe that these are real, or at least meaningful hallucinations.

    I took the survey, but I had trouble only focusing on one experience. I've had so many. Here's a few off the top of my head:

    My last experience was with a sort of octopus like god being. It was very dark, and it emanated a supreme power. It was more neutral, slightly more negative. Not evil, but more like an I was an ant, perceiving a human - a potential threat. It didn't really communicate, just radiate an all powerful vibe. I never felt so humbled. I returned from the experience in tears.

    I experienced a primary alien with small aliens of the same shape rapidly jumping behind it. It had an angular face, morphing body, limbs, and everything was so rapid. It was holding a box (gift/tool) of some sort. I kept on focusing on the box. I received a telepathic message that the human perception can be hijacked, as we can't look away and take it for what it really can be used for. I failed miserably.

    I also was transported to a library/machine of sorts. Tall walls arranged like rows at a library - yellow, orange, and red. Seated at various points on this machine were little workers operating it. They could sense my presence, but it was insignificant compared to the importance of what they were doing. The machine had a sort of rhythm to it. Pulsing, and their actions influenced it. Every few seconds, blocks would turn within it, and a pulsing could be observed. I just observed this for the duration of the experience.

    Lots of other "common" experiences with what I call "spirits" usually radiating energy of female, love, etc. They flock to you, and seem to play with you. Sometimes they communicate, sometimes we have a language barrier.




    Thanks for taking the survey- very interesting stories!

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    Re: Johns Hopkins DMT Entity Survey [Re: Nature Boy] * 1
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    Nature Boy said:
    I've done DMT multiple hundreds of times, but according to the criteria, do not qualify to take the survey because I have failed to do "a breakthrough dose."

    I've no idea what that criteria actually is meant to establish since it is wholly subjective.  Who is to say when or if you've taken or achieved a "breakthrough dose."  It's a stupid, artificial limitation on the entry criteria for the survey since it calls for a subjective claim to whatever one would consider a breakthrough.

    Fuck 'em.  They don't deserve my data point if they can't craft a better threshold survey criteria.


    Hi! The "breakthrough dose" criteria is basically attempting to establish if our survey participants have taken a dose of DMT that produced strong psychoactive effects. It is indeed subjective because individual responses to the same dose of DMT might vary significantly. Please send me a PM if you have any questions about the criteria or the survey more generally.

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    Re: Johns Hopkins DMT Entity Survey [Re: johnclifton]
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    Makes sense.

    If the user thinks its a breakthru, then it is. Its a subjective experience and its different for everyone as everyones mind works differently.

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    Re: Johns Hopkins DMT Entity Survey [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
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    No doubt, I've always gotten pestered by entities in dmt land.

    The deal is my smoked or im dmt experiences have largely been unusable and non-integratable with this reality. Same with any of the hard knockers, like salvia. Ayahuasca is awesome, slow integration and application. Chewing a quid of salvia, awesome, you can work with it.

    But come on, entities, they're everywhere if you look close enough, it's all layers and layers of Us.

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    Re: Johns Hopkins DMT Entity Survey [Re: Captain Shadow]
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    I always like to think of things in terms of size

    Google actually has a nice representation of this. From nucleus to universe. Actually a really cool simulation.

    Like how small we actually are.
    And now add layers to that. Or dimensions. = perceived reality.
    :aliendance:

    Life in general is trippy lol


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    Re: Johns Hopkins DMT Entity Survey [Re: Yesum]
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    Important stuff we have here.

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    Re: Johns Hopkins DMT Entity Survey [Re: Solipsis] * 1
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    Solipsis said:
    IMO Don't get into this before you do the survey (if you do it at all):

    What is this notion that you couldn't possibly analyze experiences to see if there are patterns that can help elucidate how they may be brought about?

    While my encounters have felt very convincing (suspiciously so actually), I think there are plenty of reasons to think they are projections and illusions. I think the entities being projections integrates well with other known psychedelic effects such as synaesthesia.

    Two ways such effects can arise may be from (artificial / chemical) stimulation of certain detection circuits in our brains, for example for detection of living beings / a presence or entity, faces (FFA) or eyes. We have evolved to (attempt to) detect e.g. predators in the jungle. The second way is probably more like synaesthesia where there is 'inappropriate' chatter between brain circuits interpreting the signals of one another.
    I think this ties into other specialized brain circuits like the cortical homunculus as well, we are highly adapted in our perception of ourselves and others.

    We should really use synaesthesia as an exemplary model: it can already explain some more straightforward experiences of one sensation being interpreted as another (like sound as vision) but it gets really interesting if you apply this to more complicated percepts.
    If you include emotions or social cues, you can actually form a hypothesis for the perception of auras, is one example.

    Telepathic communication (which is also mentioned in the study) can also be explained in this model: rather than communicating at a distance with an entity which seems separate from you this is simply integral communication with a projection in your mind, i.e. not separate at all.

    The malleability of the experiences I've had just seems to reflect that it happens in the mind where we have these fluid models.

    Actual entities should not be so extremely variable and personal as DMT encounters are.




    In terms of stimulation to the brain providing effects, that's all that our "real" experiences are as well, and using the exact same circuitry. Only difference is the ones we consider real are the ones with an outside physical stimulus that others can also detect.

    In terms of evolution/predators, I've always thought that was an interesting idea for why so many people experience serpents/big cats while on ayahuasca.

    The FFA idea is one I've considered as well, but in my own experience and many others I've read, the face wasn't a prominent feature or was not detected at all. More of a presence, and far from anything recognizable. Even when recognizable, I've found the form to be more prominent than a face.

    One thing that can't be explained is telepathy between nearby people on the same substance. It's not uncommon at all during aya ceremonies, I've experienced it with LSD, TM writes about experiencing it for a month with his brother after an absurdly large dose... the weird part is that it doesn't seem unusual when it occurs, only after when you have time to think and consult with the other person to confirm that it actually did occur.

    If the current science behind psilocybin holds for DMT as well, it's not so much random chatter as a disruption in the regular, seemingly controlled chatter. The posterior cingulate cortex connects and reroutes pathways from all of our senses, and helps us to experience reality as something whole and with depth instead of raw input analyzed and experienced at different, independent levels. Many neuroscientists consider it central to the sense of 'self', body location, etc.

    If a disruption in that system is what brings about the DMT experience(as is shown in psilocybin fMRI's), then it might not be that signals are mixed up in the brain, it might be that at the point when the drug takes hold, we're experiencing that raw data of what makes up our reality. Instead of being processed through the usual channels, the input bypasses the filter that condenses input from reality(the multiverse?) and gives us a friendly GUI or interactive model that makes survival more likely. Evolution rewards fitness over perception of reality, what we experience when our evolved brain is fully functional is an interactive model that suits evolution, not what is 'actually' there. Tons of examples of this, the easiest surface-level one is why we don't see our nose all the time even though it's directly in our visual field.

    Does this mean that what's behind the curtains is what we see on DMT, as opposed to the evolution-suited reality we're used to? Could be, but it's hard for me to believe.  I think evolution is too powerful of a force to allow us to turn back the clock with one inhale. I do think it's possible that DMT is as close as we can get to seeing reality as it is. There's way too much going on for us to see, let alone understand. Some of it is happening consciously and with purpose(entities), much of it is seemingly random and unexplainable.

    My mind is far from made up when it comes to this. I just don't see anything in current science that can explain away, or prove, what the experience of entities means. Even if they are in our head so to speak, that only prompts a million more questions of why ingesting a substance that's been found in every living thing it's been tested for in(?) presents us with an illusion where we leave our bodies, merge with the multiversal hyperspace, and communicate with other seemingly living things that take many forms.

    Edited by feevers (03/05/18 03:08 PM)

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    Re: Johns Hopkins DMT Entity Survey [Re: feevers]
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    i have had the illusion that the dmt world is more real then the normal world


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    Re: Johns Hopkins DMT Entity Survey [Re: psilly the kid]
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    psilly the kid said:
    i have had the illusion that the dmt world is more real then the normal world


    Illusion, or intuition?

    :grin:

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