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Re: SJWs are useful idiots who only serve to destabilize society [Re: musiclover420]
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"Notice how many of them directly contradict each other  I'm sure the Quran is the same way, re written and interpreted by thousands of people over thousands of years. That's why it's stupid to generalize."

the quaran isnt even thousands of years old first of all.

second, just because the bible and quran were rewritten doesnt mean we dont still have the old texts. we have old copies of both the bible and quran.

the quran contradicts its self plenty. but there is a concept called quaranic abrogation which states that any time mohammad contradicts himself, the verse that comes later supercedes the earlier verse. as time went on mohammad became more violent. so the violent verses take priority over the peaceful ones.

im not generalizing. when did i generalize? im saying there is a problem with islamic scripture. i never said all muslims are bad and ive said mtiple times that my problem is with ISLAM the ideology, not MUSLIMS the people. so how about you quit generalizing. just because someone has a problem with islam doesnt mean they dislike all muslims. ive had muslim friends and classmates my whole life. i dont hate them.

the bible established that you had to be kind to your slaves. it may sound bad to you but slavery has existed since prehistory. pagans used to kill slaves for entertainment and do all kinds of horrible things. so the bible set regulations. you cant just go from a savage to a civilized person. it was a slow progression. and by the wayjesus never owned a slave. just because something is permitted doesnt mean its favourable.

its like an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth. that rule was meant to prevent feuds. because usually thinga tend to spiral out of control. i knock out your tooth then you knock out all my teeth, then you kill me, then my family attacks your family and before you know it you have a full on war. this law prevents that. if you want revenge you can only take what was takrn from you. sounds barbaric to modern peope but it was acctually very progressive. jesus said dont take revenge at all. so you see the law in the old testiment is meant to improve things. and atleast make them better. then jesus goes above and beyond the law. so if you just look at it and say "ooo slavery" without looking at the historical context then it seems bad. but the old testiment is an improvement compared to unregulated human nature.


however the quran came like 700 years after the new testiment which came like 700 years after the old testiment. and the quran a  tually went backwards. its not an improvement. mohammad was a war lord and jesus was a great man.

Edited by BANANA.MAN (02/05/18 09:23 PM)

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Re: SJWs are useful idiots who only serve to destabilize society [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
BANANA.MAN said:
nope. these verses are reffering to other jews in israel. its not saying to go out and convert or kill gentiles.


Oh I see.  So then it's only cool to kill Christians? 

BANANA.MAN said:
and as jesus said he who is without sin must cast the first stone.


nope.  That verse referred to an adultress, it's not saying to let people who worship other gods survive.  :smirk:


no. that verse can be applied to all sins with the death peanalty.

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Re: SJWs are useful idiots who only serve to destabilize society [Re: koods]
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koods said:
You would think an all powerful god could be a little less confusing when issuing rules for his minions


go ahead and keep misrepresnting what i beleive koods. dont ask me or try to understand my beleifs. just keep making assumptions. you are doing great.

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Re: SJWs are useful idiots who only serve to destabilize society [Re: BANANA.MAN]
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there is a concept called quaranic abrogation which states that any time mohammad contradicts himself, the verse that comes later supercedes the earlier verse. as time went on mohammad became more violent.


Care to show some evidence it was from Mohammad? Sounds like the kind of thing his followers would enact down the line to better manipulate their religion, just like what's happened with the bible :lol:

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im not generalizing. when did i generalize? im saying there is a problem with islamic scripture. i never said all muslims are bad and ive said mtiple times that my problem is with ISLAM the ideology, not MUSLIMS the people. so how about you quit generalizing. just because someone has a problem with islam doesnt mean they dislike all muslims. ive had muslim friends and classmates my whole life. i dont hate them.



I've yet to see you admit that there are different ways of interpreting Islam, there is plenty wrong with christian scripture as well but not all christians focus on those parts :shrug:

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the bible established that you had to be kind to your slaves. it may sound bad to you but slavery has existed since prehistory. pagans used to kill slaves for entertainment and do all kinds of horrible things. so the bible set regulations. you cant just go from a savage to a civilized person. it was a slow progression. and by the wayjesus never owned a slave. just because something is permitted doesnt mean its favourable.



So I guess "being kind" means:

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xodus 21:20-21
“When a man strikes his slave, male or female, with a rod and the slave dies under his hand, he shall be avenged. But if the slave survives a day or two, he is not to be avenged, for the slave is his money.


So it's cool to beat your slaves as much as you want as long as it takes them at least a day or two to bleed out.... Sounds like some great regulations :rolleyes:

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however the quran came like 700 years after the new testiment which came like 700 years after the old testiment. and the quran a  tually went backwards. its not an improvement. mohammad was a war lord and jesus was a great man.



And yest many horrible things have been carried out in Jesus's name, so clearly being good or bad doesn't really change much down the line.

Notice how above you point out jesus never owned a slave allegedly, yet southern Christians supported continuing slavery not too long ago: http://www.christianitytoday.com/history/issues/issue-33/why-christians-supported-slavery.html

Seems kind of hypocritical to me.


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I've got all and more, My smile, just as before. Is all that I carry with me

I talk to myself, I need nobody else. I'm lost and I'm mine, yes I'm free


Edited by musiclover420 (02/05/18 09:27 PM)

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Re: SJWs are useful idiots who only serve to destabilize society [Re: BANANA.MAN] * 1
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This thread is currently being ruined by useless SJW idiots.


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Re: SJWs are useful idiots who only serve to destabilize society [Re: koods] * 1
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koods said:
I just posted evidence that Muslim communities have less rape than average in America.


No.  You posted evidence that muslim communities have less REPORTED rapes than any other communities.  I don't think that suprises anyone.


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Sui is trying to mod right now.  Kinda like a newborn calf tryin ta stand fer the first time ain’t it..

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Re: SJWs are useful idiots who only serve to destabilize society [Re: lowbrow] * 1
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lowbrow said:
koods said:
I just posted evidence that Muslim communities have less rape than average in America.


No.  You posted evidence that muslim communities have less REPORTED rapes than any other communities.  I don't think that suprises anyone.


Also.. I worked in Dearborn for years...lol nobody reports crimes there unless it’s somrthing like a traffic collision.  Those people are savages.  Who knows what goes unreported

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Re: SJWs are useful idiots who only serve to destabilize society [Re: Asclepius]
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Asclepius said:
At least you are being honest about your hatred of Muslims.  I digress.


Do not put words in my mouth that i did not say.


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Sui is trying to mod right now.  Kinda like a newborn calf tryin ta stand fer the first time ain’t it..

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Re: SJWs are useful idiots who only serve to destabilize society [Re: Great Scott] * 1
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Great Scott said:
This thread is currently being ruined by useless SJW idiots.


Well it was pretty much argument bait so I think it worked out how one would expect :shrug:


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You know how it feels, With the breeze of the sun in your eyes. Not minding that time's passing by

I've got all and more, My smile, just as before. Is all that I carry with me

I talk to myself, I need nobody else. I'm lost and I'm mine, yes I'm free


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Re: SJWs are useful idiots who only serve to destabilize society [Re: Great Scott]
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"Care to show some evidence it was from Mohammad?"

do you beleive what you beleive now? or do you beleive what you used to beleive? hes teaching his followers for a reason. if you gave someone a comandment would you want tben to do that or would you want them to ignore it because you said something contradictory you said in the past?

why are you trying to find a way for mohammad not to be aweful? why do you just need there to be a good interpretation?  isnt it possible that he was a horrible man that shouldnt be hailed as the perfect man?


it doesnt matter if it was carried out in jesus' name. it matters what jesus taught. and jesus didnt teach convert or kill. mohammad did. so you cant blame jesus for the violence of christians. you can however blame mohammad for the violence of islamists.

you cant blame a religion for something a self professed follower does if it is not taught by the religion.

Edited by BANANA.MAN (02/05/18 10:36 PM)

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Re: SJWs are useful idiots who only serve to destabilize society [Re: BANANA.MAN] * 1
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BANANA.MAN said:
im not generalizing. when did i generalize? im saying there is a problem with islamic scripture. i never said all muslims are bad and ive said mtiple times that my problem is with ISLAM the ideology, not MUSLIMS the people. so how about you quit generalizing. just because someone has a problem with islam doesnt mean they dislike all muslims. ive had muslim friends and classmates my whole life. i dont hate them.




I am confused.  On the one hand, you say you do not have a problem with Muslims, but simultaneously have a problem with the Quran.  If you have a problem with the Surahs, is your dislike for those who practice their teachings not implicit?  I would not have come to that conclusion if you merely disagreed with the teachings of the Quran -- that's one thing.  But to treat the Quran like it is any different from all other religious texts, designating to it an extraordinary stigma, is something different altogether.  I will give you credit for your exegesis of Christian literary antiquity, in the traditional sense, albeit I firmly disagree with the validity of verbal plenary inspiration.  That said, your position on Islam is reminiscent of what I learned about the view held by Romans of the early Christians: they were seen by Rome as enemies of the people, haters of man, and Christianity viewed as one of the biggest threats to the existence of the empire (think Claudius and Nero Caesar). 


I wonder if Muslims in Spain felt the same way about Christianity -- that it was a vile religion.  Also, do you think Muslims branded Christianity an evil religion after the start of the Crusades?  What about Jewish people slaughtered by Christians during the Rhineland massacres? 


My point is this: if you disagree with the validity of religious texts, that is perfectly fine.  We can discuss the moral problems of every religion on a point by point basis.  But when you single out one religion, when many religions call for the unjust killing of innocents, including the Bible, that is when you open a door that can be dangerous.  I am not saying that you personally would cause harm to innocent Muslims, but people who have espoused your line of thinking have led many to commit atrocious acts.  Again, it is perfectly fine to address the problems of the Quran; it is another to pretend as though they are any viler than the teachings contained within the Bible.


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Re: SJWs are useful idiots who only serve to destabilize society [Re: BANANA.MAN] * 1
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If you would like, I can poke holes in your Christian theology as easily as you do with Quranic texts.  I get that you are merely trying to point out the flaws of Islam to justify your hatred of the religion (not of Muslim people), but I can point out just as many theological flaws with the Bible.  Does that mean I should support a Christian ban if one were proposed by a future administration?  Hm... 


In fact, I can unravel your entire Christian faith by discussing one theological problem, using proper exegesis, if you surrender yourself to the dilemma exposed with an objective mind.  Care to discuss it with me?  It doesn't mean I dislike Christians, even though I think the religion is flawed, and it doesn't give me the excuse to brand Christianity a special kind of evil.


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Re: SJWs are useful idiots who only serve to destabilize society [Re: Asclepius]
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Asclepius said:
I wonder if Muslims in Spain felt the same way about Christianity -- that it was a vile religion.


and what were Muslims doing in Spain in the first place? oh yeah, they conquered it by force.

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Also, do you think Muslims branded Christianity an evil religion after the start of the Crusades?



and what were the Crusades about? oh yeah, retaking land conquered by Arab Muslims


Asclepius said:
BANANA.MAN said:
im not generalizing. when did i generalize? im saying there is a problem with islamic scripture. i never said all muslims are bad and ive said mtiple times that my problem is with ISLAM the ideology, not MUSLIMS the people. so how about you quit generalizing. just because someone has a problem with islam doesnt mean they dislike all muslims. ive had muslim friends and classmates my whole life. i dont hate them.




But when you single out one religion, when many religions call for the unjust killing of innocents, including the Bible, that is when you open a door that can be dangerous.


when Christians start blowing up children at concerts i'll be the first to denounce them. :tongue:

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Re: SJWs are useful idiots who only serve to destabilize society [Re: Mad_Larkin]
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Care to elucidate?



Edit: As an aside, what do you feel about the treatment received by Anabaptists?  Do you think it was less evil than Islam?  I am not arguing that Islam is a wonderful religion by any means.  What I am asking is this: Is it really all that different from Christianity, historically speaking?  So, then, why does Islam have this special stigma attached to it?  And why do you dodge the points I made about the flaws of the Bible?  I can show you biblical scripture that is just as vile, if not more so, as the Quran itself. 


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Edited by Asclepius (02/05/18 11:59 PM)

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Re: SJWs are useful idiots who only serve to destabilize society [Re: Asclepius]
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i don't share your infatuation with verbosity. if you didn't get the point of my post, that's your problem.

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Re: SJWs are useful idiots who only serve to destabilize society [Re: Mad_Larkin]
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Mad_Larkin said:
i don't share your infatuation with verbosity. if you didn't get the point of my post, that's your problem.



It's because you do not have the goods to back up your claims, nor to properly refute my own.  It's cool, man -- one of my degrees is in religion.  :wink:


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Re: SJWs are useful idiots who only serve to destabilize society [Re: Asclepius]
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your degrees mean nothing to me. if you'd like to take issue with the points i made, please be my guest. try to be brief.

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Re: SJWs are useful idiots who only serve to destabilize society [Re: Mad_Larkin] * 2
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They rent hotel rooms and shoot at people instead.  Or they blow up federal buildings.


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Re: SJWs are useful idiots who only serve to destabilize society [Re: Mad_Larkin]
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Mad_Larkin said:
your degrees mean nothing to me. if you'd like to take issue with the points i made, please be my guest. try to be brief.


I already asked for you to expound upon your initial rebuttal to what I had written, I am fairly certain...


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Re: SJWs are useful idiots who only serve to destabilize society [Re: Enlil] * 1
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Enlil said:
They rent hotel rooms and shoot at people instead.  Or they blow up federal buildings.



"If I become president, I propose a total and complete shutdown of Christians entering the United States!" 

"Christians aren't bringing us their best.  They are not our friend, believe me.  They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people."


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