BANANA.MAN said:

The Ecstatic said:

Weird how every thread in this sub eventually turns into conservatives crying about muslim horde invaders.

Its so unfair how often yall are call racists.

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islam is an ideology. its no more racist to speak out against islam than it is to speak out against Nazism or marxism. i care about values not race.

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lowbrow said:

koods said:

BANANA.MAN said:

islam is the second largest religion in india.

pakistanis and bangladeshis commit them at a lower rate than asians as a whole. not nessecarliy other nationalities.

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No I compared them to the entire data set of all races. 40/1514=2.64%

Just to be clear....

P&B's make up 2.5% of the population and commited 2.64% of these crimes. They seem to have integrated into rapey British society perfectly.

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We're talking about all muslims, not just pakistanis and Bangladeshi.

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koods said:

Let's compare the rape statistics for three cities. Two traditionally religious Christian towns and the city with the highest Muslim population in America, Dearborn Mi.

Salt Lake City: 1.4 rapes per 1000
Colorado Springs: .97 rapes per 1000
Dearborn: .33 rapes per 1000

But yeah, Muslims are the problem, right?

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lowbrow said:

We're talking about all muslims, not just pakistanis and Bangladeshi.

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koods said:

BANANA.MAN said:

The Ecstatic said:

Weird how every thread in this sub eventually turns into conservatives crying about muslim horde invaders.

Its so unfair how often yall are call racists.

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islam is an ideology. its no more racist to speak out against islam than it is to speak out against Nazism or marxism. i care about values not race.

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Yet you consistently whine about people criticizing your Christian ideology

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now again, scrap that point. do you have anyting to say about the validity of the claim that right wing terrorism is a bigger problem than islamic terrorism.

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koods said:

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now again, scrap that point. do you have anyting to say about the validity of the claim that right wing terrorism is a bigger problem than islamic terrorism.

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Yes it is

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BANANA.MAN said:

Enlil said:

All religions are destructive.  I don't see how Islam is any more destructive than any other.

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because Mohammad taught his followers to convert or kill everyone.

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Did he really or was it just interpreted that way over thousands of years?

Hell Jesus preached peace and brotherly love and look how that turned out for his followers

Every major religion has good and bad points, and extremists on both sides. People are are crazy regardless, there are plenty of extremist atheists these days even

musiclover420 said:

BANANA.MAN said:

Enlil said:

All religions are destructive.  I don't see how Islam is any more destructive than any other.

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because Mohammad taught his followers to convert or kill everyone.

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Did he really or was it just interpreted that way over thousands of years?

Hell Jesus preached peace and brotherly love and look how that turned out for his followers

Every major religion has good and bad points, and extremists on both sides. People are are crazy regardless, there are plenty of extremist atheists these days even

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BANANA.MAN said:

The Ecstatic said:

Weird how every thread in this sub eventually turns into conservatives crying about muslim horde invaders.

Its so unfair how often yall are call racists.

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islam is an ideology. its no more racist to speak out against islam than it is to speak out against Nazism or marxism. i care about values not race.

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BANANA.MAN said:

musiclover420 said:

BANANA.MAN said:

Enlil said:

All religions are destructive.  I don't see how Islam is any more destructive than any other.

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because Mohammad taught his followers to convert or kill everyone.

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Did he really or was it just interpreted that way over thousands of years?

Hell Jesus preached peace and brotherly love and look how that turned out for his followers

Every major religion has good and bad points, and extremists on both sides. People are are crazy regardless, there are plenty of extremist atheists these days even

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not every major religion teaches convert or die. thats the part i have a problem with. Mohammad wiped out entire jewish tribes for god's sake. he spread Islam by force and told his followers to do the same and there is no denying that. thats what is wrong with islam. you cant say its the same as all other religions because it clearly isnt. it clearly teaches convert or kill.

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They don't have to teach it though, that's the point. Followers do crazy shit either way.

Have you ever read any of the Quran? How much do you actually know about Muhammad?

Islam is apprently the fastest growing religion in the world currently, I highly doubt that's just from fear

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Aside from the theological viewpoint,[21][22][23] Islam is historically believed to have originated in the early 7th century CE in Mecca,[24] and by the 8th century the Umayyad Islamic caliphate extended from Iberia in the west to the Indus River in the east. The Islamic Golden Age refers to the period traditionally dated from the 8th century to the 13th century, during the Abbasid Caliphate, when much of the historically Islamic world was experiencing a scientific, economic and cultural flourishing.[25][26][27] The expansion of the Muslim world involved various caliphates and empires, traders and conversion to Islam by missionary activities (dawah).[28]

Most Muslims are of one of two denominations:[29][30] Sunni (75–90%)[31] or Shia (10–20%).[32] About 13% of Muslims live in Indonesia,[33] the largest Muslim-majority country, 31% in South Asia,[34][35] the largest population of Muslims in the world,[36] 23% in the Middle East-North Africa,[37] where it is the dominant religion[38] and 15% in Sub-Saharan Africa.[39][40][41] Sizeable Muslim communities are also found in the Americas, the Caucasus, Central Asia, China, Europe, Mainland Southeast Asia, the Philippines, and Russia.

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So just like christians there are at least 2-3 distinct Islamic groups, not only that but many Muslims have faced religious persecution just like Christians and others:

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In 1514 the Ottoman sultan, Selim I, ordered the massacre of 40,000 Anatolian Shia.[130] According to Jalal Al-e-Ahmad, "Sultan Selim I carried things so far that he announced that the killing of one Shiite had as much otherworldly reward as killing 70 Christians."[131]

In 1801 the Al Saud-Wahhabi armies attacked and sacked Karbala, the Shia shrine in eastern Iraq that commemorates the death of Husayn.[132]

Under Saddam Hussein's regime, 1968 to 2003, in Iraq, Shia Muslims were heavily arrested, tortured and killed.[

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Enlil said:

All religions are destructive.  I don't see how Islam is any more destructive than any other.

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Enlil said:

Everyone except the Japanese. They hold the lifetime achievement award for rape.

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BANANA.MAN said:

not every major religion teaches convert or die. thats the part i have a problem with.

you cant say its the same as all other religions because it clearly isnt. it clearly teaches convert or kill.

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put to death any interpreters of dreams or prophets that tell you to rebel against the Lord
Show them no mercy or pity, and do not protect them.  Kill them!  Be the first to stone them, and then let everyone else stone them too.  Stone them to death!

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Suppose you hear that in one of your towns some men or women have sinned against the Lord and broken his covenant by worshiping and serving other gods...  If it is true that this evil thing has happened in Israel, then take them outside the town and stone them to death.

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:

BANANA.MAN said:

not every major religion teaches convert or die. thats the part i have a problem with.

you cant say its the same as all other religions because it clearly isnt. it clearly teaches convert or kill.

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Christianity sure as hell teaches that:

Deuteronomy 13

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put to death any interpreters of dreams or prophets that tell you to rebel against the Lord
Show them no mercy or pity, and do not protect them.  Kill them!  Be the first to stone them, and then let everyone else stone them too.  Stone them to death!

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Deuteronomy 17

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Suppose you hear that in one of your towns some men or women have sinned against the Lord and broken his covenant by worshiping and serving other gods...  If it is true that this evil thing has happened in Israel, then take them outside the town and stone them to death.

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Leviticus 25:44-46
As for your male and female slaves whom you may have: you may buy male and female slaves from among the nations that are around you. You may also buy from among the strangers who sojourn with you and their clans that are with you, who have been born in your land, and they may be your property. You may bequeath them to your sons after you to inherit as a possession forever. You may make slaves of them, but over your brothers the people of Israel you shall not rule, one over another ruthlessly.

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Ephesians 6:5
Slaves, obey your earthly masters with fear and trembling, with a sincere heart, as you would Christ,

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Exodus 21:20-21
“When a man strikes his slave, male or female, with a rod and the slave dies under his hand, he shall be avenged. But if the slave survives a day or two, he is not to be avenged, for the slave is his money.

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Those are just 3 out of at least 100: https://www.openbible.info/topics/slavery

Notice how many of them directly contradict each other I'm sure the Quran is the same way, re written and interpreted by thousands of people over thousands of years. That's why it's stupid to generalize.

BANANA.MAN said:

nope. these verses are reffering to other jews in israel. its not saying to go out and convert or kill gentiles.

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BANANA.MAN said:

and as jesus said he who is without sin must cast the first stone.

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nope.  That verse referred to an adultress, it's not saying to let people who worship other gods survive.