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Re: White privilege for mixed parents? [Re: XUL] * 1
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no, it means the level of racial bias per individual could potentially differ by as many as some 325 million ways.  That isn't the same thing.
If, in aggregate, whiter people are generally treated more fairly at the expense of (pick an ethnic group), that is white privilege.
If , as an individual, one benefits from some perceived level of whiteness, regardless of lineage or self-identification, at the expense of (pick an ethnic group) that's white privilege.
If you were as keen on genetics and biology as you like to make out, you would already know that race is a scientifically useless classification as applied to humans, and you would know why.

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Re: White privilege for mixed parents? [Re: ballsalsa]
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ballsalsa said:
If, in aggregate, whiter people are generally treated more fairly at the expense of (pick an ethnic group), that is white privilege.



Keyword: "If."

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If you were as keen on genetics and biology as you like to make out, you would already know that race is a scientifically useless classification as applied to humans, and you would know why.


You do realize I was arguing that pigmentation of the skin is genetic, right?


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Re: White privilege for mixed parents? [Re: XUL] * 2
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and it is, but that doesn't make race anything more than a social construct for reasons that Enlil has pointed out adequately multiple times.

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Re: White privilege for mixed parents? [Re: ballsalsa]
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ballsalsa said:
and it is, but that doesn't make race anything more than a social construct for reasons that Enlil has pointed out adequately multiple times.


You showed one study about job call backs that is not reliable. Why? qman showed another study that showed the opposite outcome.

No, you haven't proven that white privilege exists. You can keep claiming that it exists, but you haven't proven it to me, which is what I think you are trying to do.

Enlil has not pointed anything out adequately as pertaining to white privilege. He has showed his lack of understanding that "white" privilege pertains to the pigment of skin, which is genetic and varies by percentages across the world. He has presented one study that is not reliable.


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Re: White privilege for mixed parents? [Re: XUL]
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race is a social construct, yes or no?

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Re: White privilege for mixed parents? [Re: ballsalsa]
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Re: White privilege for mixed parents? [Re: ballsalsa]
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ballsalsa said:
race is a social construct, yes or no?


Well, I decided to stay up all night.

Race is a social construct that originates from pigmentation phenotypes in genetics.

For example, when we take the U.S. census, we label our race under white/Caucasian, Black, and so forth.


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Re: White privilege for mixed parents? [Re: XUL] * 2
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My favorite color is pacific islander, followed closely by non-white latino.


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Re: White privilege for mixed parents? [Re: ballsalsa]
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ballsalsa said:
race is a social construct, yes or no?


Yes it is. Is there also a genetic basis for the differences in which humans use to make those categories?  Yes.

Why do people get their DNA tested to see where the ancestors came from?  Because there's a connection between genetics and geographic location.

This "social construct" is not just pure fantasyland, there is some logic and scientific basis behind it.

You're suggesting since there's no "pure" genetic race, racial characteristics don't exist, that's completely disingenuous.

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Re: White privilege for mixed parents? [Re: XUL]
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XUL said:
ballsalsa said:
race is a social construct, yes or no?


Well, I decided to stay up all night.

Race is a social construct that originates from pigmentation phenotypes in genetics.

For example, when we take the U.S. census, we label our race under white/Caucasian, Black, and so forth.


so yes, then.
People are often treated unfairly as a result of what race they are perceived to be a member of, yes or no?

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Re: White privilege for mixed parents? [Re: ballsalsa] * 3
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I'm calabrese, but strangers have mocked me for being jewish and for being arab.

Rascists aren't going around comparing genetics (or else they would realize that racial phenotypes do not necessarily align with genetic variation), they are basing things off of appearance. Apparently, my olive skin screams middle east to rascists.

To answer the OP: a child that looks black will likely be treated as black - a child that looks white will likely be treated as white - regardless of their parentage. More evidence to support race being a social construct.

During Obama's run for presidency, it was pointed out many times that he was biracial - but he looks black so that's all that mattered.


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Re: White privilege for mixed parents? [Re: qman]
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qman said:
ballsalsa said:
race is a social construct, yes or no?


Yes it is. Is there also a genetic basis for the differences in which humans use to make those categories?  Yes.

Why do people get their DNA tested to see where the ancestors came from?  Because there's a connection between genetics and geographic location.

This "social construct" is not just pure fantasyland, there is some logic and scientific basis behind it.

You're suggesting since there's no "pure" genetic race, racial characteristics don't exist, that's completely disingenuous.


You said it very well.

This is also what I am trying to point out.


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Re: White privilege for mixed parents? [Re: XUL] * 2
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First, I didn't attack you.  I attacked your stupid fucking argument.  If you don't learn the difference, you will not be long for this forum.  Yes, you should consider this your warning.

Second, you should read a biology book.  Race is NOT genetic, and there are no biological races in humans.  The word "race" in biology has a meaning, and no biological races have been identified in humans.

Skin color is genetic.  Skin color does not define a biological race.  It does, however, define a culturally invented race.  That's what you're talking about.  All other genetic variations occur across racial lines, so your culturally defined races tell you nothing more than the color of a person's skin, and perhaps the shape of his/her eyes.


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Re: White privilege for mixed parents? [Re: Enlil]
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It looks to me like he just agreed with that.:shrug:


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Re: White privilege for mixed parents? [Re: Thundermuscle75]
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Yeah, not so much.


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Re: White privilege for mixed parents? [Re: Thundermuscle75] * 1
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Thundermuscle75 said:
It looks to me like he just agreed with that.:shrug:


Yes. We are in agreement.

-->Skin color is genetic.  Skin color does not define a biological race.  It does, however, define a culturally invented race.


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Re: White privilege for mixed parents? [Re: Enlil]
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Enlil said:
First, I didn't attack you.  I attacked your stupid fucking argument.  If you don't learn the difference, you will not be long for this forum.  Yes, you should consider this your warning.

Second, you should read a biology book.  Race is NOT genetic, and there are no biological races in humans.  The word "race" in biology has a meaning, and no biological races have been identified in humans.

Skin color is genetic.  Skin color does not define a biological race.  It does, however, define a culturally invented race.  That's what you're talking about.  All other genetic variations occur across racial lines, so your culturally defined races tell you nothing more than the color of a person's skin, and perhaps the shape of his/her eyes.



And potentially many more factors beyond skin color.

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Re: White privilege for mixed parents? [Re: qman]
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Sure, but there's no reason to assume that without evidence. Do you have any evidence?


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Re: White privilege for mixed parents? [Re: qman] * 3
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Not so much.  Choose any black man off the street.  You can't tell by his race whether he's rich, poor, honest, dishonest, smart, stupid, responsible, shiftless, violent, peaceful, Christian, muslim, atheist, hard-working, lazy, ambitious, friendly, angry, funny, good at sports, fond of watermelon, a good dancer, or a good tipper.

So, other than skin color, what do you know about that black man based solely on his race?


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Re: White privilege for mixed parents? [Re: XUL]
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XUL said:
Thundermuscle75 said:
It looks to me like he just agreed with that.:shrug:


Yes. We are in agreement.

-->Skin color is genetic.  Skin color does not define a biological race.  It does, however, define a culturally invented race.


So, then why did you call me "fucking retarded" and advise me to "pick up a biology book" if you know that there are no biological races in humans and that race is a social construct?


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