Asante said:

Violence is never the answer, but I much rather walk past a group of ANTIFA than a group of Neonazis.

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qman said:

Asante said:

Violence is never the answer, but I much rather walk past a group of ANTIFA than a group of Neonazis.

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Really, ANTIFA seems to get pretty violent just because a Milo and Ben Shapiro wants to speak on a university. Why should a student who wants to just listen to a speaker get attacked by these nut jobs?  I don't see anyone protesting when the liberals have their favorite speakers come on to the campus.

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It's almost like there are crazy extremists on both sides or something

Shroomism said:

And this is why conversations with the left always go nowhere. They just want to break it all down to slander, insults and identity politics.

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Konyap said:

So college kids going to jail are more dangerous then neo-nazi idiots who have no idea who to hate?
Bullshit.

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I have no idea what you're even talking about.

Shroomism said:

A coordinated action? This is the mass public calling the bullshit as they see it. You are really reaching man.
Where's all the comments of undying support? LOL

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1234go said:

Shroomism said:

And this is why conversations with the left always go nowhere. They just want to break it all down to slander, insults and identity politics.

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Hypocrite.

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musiclover420 said:

xzylocybin said:

musiclover420 said:

Asclepius said:

I see there is an English translation. 


This book is at the top of my list of what to read next.

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It seems very worth at least checking out.

I have seen a lot of historians comparing our current politics to the rise of fascism in many past democracies as well, which is especially scary.

Hell I was reading a thread the other day where some Venezuelan's were getting dejavu with how similar what's happening here is to what happened in their country. Which is what they tried moving away from...

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Oh which historians?

It seems like the venezuelans would be stoked about this current regime, seeing as how they were fleeing a collapsed socialist "utopia"

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Do you know anything about Venezuelans history?... From 1958–1999 they tried to set up a Democracy and had to deal with dictatorship:

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Democratic Action led the government during Venezuela's first democratic period (1945–1948). After an intervening decade of dictatorship (1948–1958) and the fall of dictator Marcos Peres Jimenez[2]saw ADˣ excluded from power, four Venezuelan presidents came from Democratic Action from the 1960's to the 1990's. This period, known as the "Fourth Republic", is marked by the development of the 1958 Punto Fijo Pact between the major parties (originally including the Democratic Republican Union, which later dwindled in significance), with the notable exclusion of the Communist Party of Venezuela.

By the end of the 1990s, however, the now two-party system's credibility was almost nonexistent.[3]This was mostly because of the corruption and poverty that Venezuelans experienced as oil wealth poured in during the 1970s and the debt crisis developed during the 1980s. Democratic Action's last president (Carlos Andrés Pérez) was impeached for corruption in 1993 and spent several years in prison as a result. The other main traditional party Copei, provided two Venezuelan presidents (Rafael Caldera, 1969-1974, and Luis Herrera Campins, 1979-1983). Confidence in the traditional parties collapsed enough that Rafael Caldera won the 1993 presidential election with about 30% of the vote, representing a new electoral coalition National Convergence. By 1998, support for Democratic Action and COPEI had fallen still further, and Hugo Chavez, a political outsider, won the 1998 election.

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Note that bold part. Sounds a bit familiar

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Socialism is a range of economic and social systems characterised by social ownership and democratic control of the means of production,[10] as well as the political theories and movements associated with them.[11] Social ownership may refer to forms of public, collective or cooperative ownership, or to citizen ownership of equity.

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koods said:

On a slightly unrelated note, one of my best friends in elementary school was the son of the Venezuelan ambassador. His family took our entire class skiing for a weekend at seven springs. That was an awesome weekend. I have no idea their politics but they were nice people.

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I feel like people from other countries are much more friendly then we like to assume. Sure there are extremists and dicks all over, but most places seem to have a lot of good people with a lot in common.

99% of the time I interact with people from other countries they are super nice and friendly, friendlier then a lot of the people here even.

Which is part of why all these racist generalizations really bother me cough cough trump cough...

twighead said:

Anyone who brings up Venezuela as being in some way remotely relevant to any potential economic/political outcomes or situations in America loses any and all credibility regarding said debate instantly

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So we should just ignore any parallels? How do you expect to ever learn from history?

twighead said:

Anyone who brings up Venezuela as being in some way remotely relevant to any potential economic/political outcomes or situations in America loses any and all credibility regarding said debate instantly

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I really feel that people who are the most judgmental about immigrants are the least exposed to people from other places.

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It explains a lot though when you think about it. It's probably the same way in other countries with people hating Americans

Thankfully from what I've seen most people still hate our government more then all our people. But I wouldn't be surprised if that steadily changes with the way things are going...

musiclover420 said:

twighead said:

Anyone who brings up Venezuela as being in some way remotely relevant to any potential economic/political outcomes or situations in America loses any and all credibility regarding said debate instantly

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So we should just ignore any parallels? How do you expect to ever learn from history?

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xzylocybin said:

twighead said:

Anyone who brings up Venezuela as being in some way remotely relevant to any potential economic/political outcomes or situations in America loses any and all credibility regarding said debate instantly

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Just because you said so?

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