trendal said:

Shroomism said:

Keep calling people nazis and demonizing people because of their "white privilege" and then act all surprised some people go ok Fine I'll be an actual Nazi and go complete opposite to them.

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You don't really think people operate like this...do you?

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trendal said:

Shroomism said:

Keep calling people nazis and demonizing people because of their "white privilege" and then act all surprised some people go ok Fine I'll be an actual Nazi and go complete opposite to them.

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You don't really think people operate like this...do you?

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Shroomism said:

Whether you hold a hammer and sickle flag or a nazi flag, I think you are a disgusting human. But I don't see a shitload of Nazi flags.

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qman said:

trendal said:

Shroomism said:

Keep calling people nazis and demonizing people because of their "white privilege" and then act all surprised some people go ok Fine I'll be an actual Nazi and go complete opposite to them.

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You don't really think people operate like this...do you?

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When you push good people into a corner with no chance to turn around, you end up with a completely different person when they finally start their backlash, it's called human nature.

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koods said:

Good people don't turn into nazis

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xzylocybin said:

koods said:

Good people don't turn into nazis

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Yes they do, that's how the ideology was started in the first place, every human has the capacity for extreme evil and extreme good

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koods said:

It's official: Everything is the lefts fault. Neo nazis killing people? It's the left's fault for being so damn anti nazi.

There is a lot of open support for what I would consider nazi idealism in this country. Overt anti-semitism has exploded in the past year, for example, and it seems that while the taste for actual violence hasn't become mainstream, the ideology is getting there.

People on the right need to start thinking about what their rhetoric is inspiring within their own ranks.

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Asclepius said:

xzylocybin said:

koods said:

Good people don't turn into nazis

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Yes they do, that's how the ideology was started in the first place, every human has the capacity for extreme evil and extreme good

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There's an entire book written on this subject: The Lucifer Effect

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There's also apparently a Russian book that has their current global plan spread out. I forget what it's called offhand but it is from decades back and basically called Brexit and many of the other current global changes.

It also goes over how they would benefit from destroying Americas global image and soft power, they are systematically weakening western countries.

Pretty sketchy stuff. Here's the book:

The Foundations of Geopolitics: The Geopolitical Future of Russia

I guess it's only from 1997, I thought it was older for some reason

xzylocybin said:

Maybe they should think about why so many people are starting to dislike them, I mean they have been kicked out of every country they have inhabited, multiple times in some cases. Maybe some of the complaints about them are valid?

I think most anti semitism is focused at zionists and the ultra orthodox, and the writings in the Talmud, there is nothing wrong with everyday ppl who are jewish.

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Quote:

According to the Washington Post, Antifa is the moral equivalent of Neo Nazis. I tend to agree
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/yes-antifa-is-the-moral-equivalent-of-neo-nazis/2017/08/30/9a13b2f6-8d00-11e7-91d5-ab4e4bb76a3a_story.html?utm_term=.85c929ce2fd5

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Asclepius said:

xzylocybin said:

Maybe they should think about why so many people are starting to dislike them, I mean they have been kicked out of every country they have inhabited, multiple times in some cases. Maybe some of the complaints about them are valid?

I think most anti semitism is focused at zionists and the ultra orthodox, and the writings in the Talmud, there is nothing wrong with everyday ppl who are jewish.

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"Everyday people who are Jewish"?!


"Maybe they should think about why so many people dislike them"?!


"Maybe some of the complaints about them are valid"?!


Are you saying my grandmother's father deserved the gas chamber at Auschwitz?  Was he murdered by the SS because there were valid complaints against him?  Or, are you arguing the Nazis should have simply exiled him from Germany for practicing Judaism?

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Asclepius said:

I see there is an English translation. 


This book is at the top of my list of what to read next.

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musiclover420 said:

Asclepius said:

I see there is an English translation. 


This book is at the top of my list of what to read next.

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It seems very worth at least checking out.

I have seen a lot of historians comparing our current politics to the rise of fascism in many past democracies as well, which is especially scary.

Hell I was reading a thread the other day where some Venezuelan's were getting dejavu with how similar what's happening here is to what happened in their country. Which is what they tried moving away from...

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xzylocybin said:

musiclover420 said:

Asclepius said:

I see there is an English translation. 


This book is at the top of my list of what to read next.

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It seems very worth at least checking out.

I have seen a lot of historians comparing our current politics to the rise of fascism in many past democracies as well, which is especially scary.

Hell I was reading a thread the other day where some Venezuelan's were getting dejavu with how similar what's happening here is to what happened in their country. Which is what they tried moving away from...

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Oh which historians?

It seems like the venezuelans would be stoked about this current regime, seeing as how they were fleeing a collapsed socialist "utopia"

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Do you know anything about Venezuelans history?... From 1958–1999 they tried to set up a Democracy and had to deal with dictatorship:

Quote:

Democratic Action led the government during Venezuela's first democratic period (1945–1948). After an intervening decade of dictatorship (1948–1958) and the fall of dictator Marcos Peres Jimenez[2]saw ADˣ excluded from power, four Venezuelan presidents came from Democratic Action from the 1960's to the 1990's. This period, known as the "Fourth Republic", is marked by the development of the 1958 Punto Fijo Pact between the major parties (originally including the Democratic Republican Union, which later dwindled in significance), with the notable exclusion of the Communist Party of Venezuela.

By the end of the 1990s, however, the now two-party system's credibility was almost nonexistent.[3]This was mostly because of the corruption and poverty that Venezuelans experienced as oil wealth poured in during the 1970s and the debt crisis developed during the 1980s. Democratic Action's last president (Carlos Andrés Pérez) was impeached for corruption in 1993 and spent several years in prison as a result. The other main traditional party Copei, provided two Venezuelan presidents (Rafael Caldera, 1969-1974, and Luis Herrera Campins, 1979-1983). Confidence in the traditional parties collapsed enough that Rafael Caldera won the 1993 presidential election with about 30% of the vote, representing a new electoral coalition National Convergence. By 1998, support for Democratic Action and COPEI had fallen still further, and Hugo Chavez, a political outsider, won the 1998 election.

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Note that bold part. Sounds a bit familiar