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Re: Nazis are cunts [Re: shivas.wisdom] * 2
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no more lies, Shiva.



starfire_xes said:
What is the definition of a nazi?  I know what the definition economically is a nazi.  But define what is a nazi? 

With your definition: Quote for Bigbadwolf:



"Since when did being a Nazi not automatically classify you as a piece of worm excrement, swimming inside a pile of dog shit, caked on the heel of Uncle Sam's fucking boot, from decades past? I feel like I'm in the twilight zone. Our spray-tan-toupee-with-a-mouth-in-chief has somehow made it fashionable to be a sexually repressed, virgin halfwit cunt with a learning disability, just because he never had to learn to wipe his own lip, or his asshole?"

This is
YOu
That is your opinion.  It doesn't mean what nazis are.  I think that your a hard headed knucklehead, that doesn't mean is it true.  You see what the difference is between an opinion and a fact? 

I have a blue eyes and blond hair, and have an obvious northern european descent, that does make a nazi? 

You can see what a fucking stupid, idiotic opinion and facts are.

These fucking posts are so fucking idiotic is not even worth replying to.



exactly.

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Re: Nazis are cunts [Re: starfire_xes] * 1
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starfire_xes said:
What is the definition of a nazi?  I know what the definition economically is a nazi.  But define what is a nazi?



It's probably proper to apply the prefix 'neo' to the post-1945 world, although often I drop it for brevities sake. That being said, here's a working definition:

Neo-fascist: associated with ultranationalism, totalitarianism, militarism, corporatism, xenophobia, ableism, homophobia.
Neo-nazi: as above, but with a focus on race, rather than nationality or class, as the unifying factor. Also usually includes antisemitic conspiracy.

In short: while fascism was based on certain political ideology, nazism was blindly based on racial hatred.


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Re: Nazis are cunts [Re: akira_akuma]
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akira_akuma said:
no more lies, Shiva.



Where did I lie? Please take your own advice:

"please address my last post, in regards to this statement. refute it's logic, don't just gaggle at a contradiction (though by all means include it), but actually refute my statements."


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Re: Nazis are cunts [Re: shivas.wisdom] * 1
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Tipote said:
qman said:
Tipote said:
Please define what you call real Nazis.



They live in Germany a long time ago and actually acted on their ideology with the support of the German government and general public.



So they have to be in Germany? Are ideologies geographically-fixed?



Not according to this video of 20,000 American Nazis in New York City in 1939.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/madison-square-garden-nazi-rally_us_59dfb62ee4b03a7be57f29de


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I am in a minority on the shroomery, as I frequently defend the opposing side when they have a point about something or when my side make believes something about them.  I also attack my side if I think they're wrong.  People here get very confused by that and think it means I prefer the other side.

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Re: Nazis are cunts [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
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some American's were behind the eugenics aspect of the Nazi regime...lots of literature was written in regards to it...among the political literature, of course...and you know who alot of those people were, in America? Democrats. lol...and Liberals. LOLOLOLOL

shivas.wisdom said:
akira_akuma said:
no more lies, Shiva.



Where did I lie?




didn't say you lied. but i'm OMITTING things. see how that works?

not only do i HAVE to, because we are treated like children here...but we must all fight fire with fire in war.

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Re: Nazis are cunts [Re: akira_akuma] * 4
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I don't know why I keep trying with you... clearly you are unable or unwilling to engage in any actual discussion.


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Re: Nazis are cunts [Re: shivas.wisdom]
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Forgive me, perhaps I'm confused but is this not an attempt to justify fascist violence as defense of public property?



those people aren't fascists.

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Those specific protesters are destroying statues, or protesters like them?



the distinction is negligible when you are not even concerned with controlling the lot that DO go out of control. it's like talking to a wall with you, or at least as useful. can you get me to talk to some how can, i dunno, fucking tell their people to chill the fuck out before they really end up starting an even worse conflagration than there already is.

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Do you agree with this logic too: yes, because they are the ones killing people, the people in these fascist groups (literally) are the ones killing people...



anarchists kill people all the time

http://archive.is/9gP9U

can't wait for the media scrub attempt.

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so to prevent that, people are anxious to prevent them from killing anymore. - if yes, why do you consider the concerns of people anxious to prevent the destruction of statues to trump the concerns of people anxious to prevent fascist violence (in other words, why do you consider the counter-protesters to have been in the wrong)? - if no, why does the logic not carry over from property destruction to homicide?



you aren't actually targeting fascists, you're not really targeting nazis either, most of the time- i see alot more Trump supporters get attacked.

if there are fascists in the street, attacking people, show me the proof. if there are murders of people done by those with radical ideologies...that wouldn't even surprise me in the least. talk to me about BLM murders- murders done out of racism against whites (the TV Correspondent shooting springs to mind).




huh, interesting ANTIFA planning attacks on ItsGoingDown on Facebook?

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Re: Nazis are cunts [Re: akira_akuma]
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akira_akuma said:
some American's were behind the eugenics aspect of the Nazi regime...lots of literature was written in regards to it...among the political literature, of course...and you know who alot of those people were, in America? Democrats. lol...and Liberals. LOLOLOLOL

shivas.wisdom said:
akira_akuma said:
no more lies, Shiva.



Where did I lie?




didn't say you lied. but i'm OMITTING things. see how that works?

not only do i HAVE to, because we are treated like children here...but we must all fight fire with fire in war.




1) Class lines are more important than political labels.  That's the thing that people can't seem to get through their heads.  We live in a world where the vast majority of people who actually produce the aggregate wealth, control only a small percentage of it, collectively.  Meanwhile, a very tiny minority of people control almost all of the wealth, without much labor at all when compared to the other group.  The wealthy group is so small, there aren't enough hours in the day for them to ever work hard enough to balance against the wealth they control.  Over the years, the term "class warfare" has gained a negative connotation.  Every time there is a new debate about which social program should be done away with this week, redistribution" gets cast as class warfare.  Whenever the poor are going to get a few crumbs, it's class warfare.  When the wealthiest get big tax cuts, that's just good business.  don't worry, the cuts will pay for themselves, and after all, don't the job creators deserve a pat on the back?  That's the reality.  the super-rich are out to fuck you. they're out to fuck me, and they're even out to fuck guys like Fal and Enlil.  They're in the tax bracket these rich fucks throw bones to in order to get them to pacify the rest of us, but that doesn't mean they're allowed in the super-friends.
They're laughing every day when they read the papers and see that the dumbshit plebs are at each others' throats again over race issues, gender issues, or pretty much any identity issues, including political identity.  It's all about Class.  It always has been.  Let's eat the rich together, and we can sort the rest later.  Don't fall for the best and brightest myth.  There are plenty of good, bright people to take their places if the need should arise.

2) fire won't put out fire.  It makes it worse.  If you ever run into this problem, you might give water a try.

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Re: Nazis are cunts [Re: ballsalsa]
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2) fire won't put out fire.  It makes it worse.  If you ever run into this problem, you might give water a try.



will address your big long post later, but...dude, it's a figure of speech. please....just think for a moment. if people deceive you, politically, you can only win with "giving them a taste of their own medicine", that is, to not get "out-deceived"- all the while, you can feed out the truth.

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Re: Nazis are cunts [Re: akira_akuma] * 2
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I disagree.
You can also win by rationally proving your point in such a way as to turn their own words against them.  That isn't deception, that's just clever phrasing.

Edit: there are also other ways, like making people continue defending their point to the furthest logical extreme. 

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Re: Nazis are cunts [Re: ballsalsa]
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You can also win by rationally proving your point in such a way as to turn their own words against them.  That isn't deception, that's just clever phrasing.



well, i was talking about counter-intelligence and counter-deception, not "out-doing" your opponent, i mean, that's a given objective, which precludes the counter-deception. :shrug: it's out-doing the enemy and progenitor of the original deception by making enough exposure of their lies in order to turn their own words (or actions) against them. cops do this all the time, for example...oh and lawyers.

often referred to as "leading people on".

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there are also other ways, like making people continue defending their point to the furthest logical extreme. 



that doesn't necessarily proof anything. :shrug: can you tell me one thing we have provided all logical postulations for? nah.

and to nte. there is also the repetition effect. tell a lie enough, people can start to believe it, and that is through deception- it is the great tool of deception is repetition and ambiguity (which you cannot escape, whether in effectuating speech, nor with literary prose).

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Re: Nazis are cunts [Re: akira_akuma] * 3
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akira_akuma said:
and to nte. there is also the repetition effect. tell a lie enough, people can start to believe it, and that is through deception- it is the great tool of deception is repetition and ambiguity (which you cannot escape, whether in effectuating speech, nor with literary prose).



The cure for deceptive repetition is reciprocal repetition of fact.  It's the reason you'll often see certain posters around here posting the same charts and figures time and again.

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Re: Nazis are cunts [Re: ballsalsa]
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The cure for deceptive repetition is reciprocal repetition of fact.



not always the case, but truth is the arbiter of win.

it always is. the point i'm making, which you seem to be unable to cope with, because "deception is bad mmmkay", is that to get to the arbiter, truth, sometimes you need to out-deceive your opponent. and no, you cannot just "out-repeat someone" who has a media apparatus. :shrug: for example. you have to use tactics, which include deception, but are not outright harmful ones. call them "divisive" tactics, if you must- doesn't change the fact of one's out-deceiving an opponent. if you divide and conquer on the level of your opponent, then you are playing the same game of deception, in order to do various things...like keep your opponent on their game, for example...make them think one way, but you're really taking things in another direction. c'mon man. you should know this.

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Re: Nazis are cunts [Re: akira_akuma] * 2
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It's really hard to have discussions with people who already know they are right and you're wrong. This goes for both sides.


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Re: Nazis are cunts [Re: akira_akuma] * 3
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deception always leaves you open for the counter-stroke.  Better to win without it if you can.

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Re: Nazis are cunts [Re: ballsalsa]
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better is relative, though, isn't it? a win is a win.

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Re: Nazis are cunts [Re: akira_akuma] * 2
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akira_akuma said:
anarchists kill people all the time

http://archive.is/9gP9U

can't wait for the media scrub attempt.



Akuna, you are a source of fake news. When was the last politically motivated murder by anarchists in North America? That article you link to has zero mention of anarchism.

Furthermore, that video you provided - "antifa confirmed" - is obvious bullshit to anyone not suffering from an acute case of confirmation bias. Party affiliation: UAF - hmmm, could this possibly refer to the UK based 'United Against Fascism', self described as "a national campaign with the aim of alerting British society to a perceived threat of fascism and the far right" or maybe - just maybe - it refers to un-fucking-affiliated...

You believe this bullshit, but are unconvinced Heather Heyer was murdered. If I recall, you also infested the Vegas Shooting threads with your anti-antifa conspiracies. You are the poster boy of repression and projection.

My offer to come visit you in person still stands. No violence, no threats, not even to debate. You just need to get off the internet and meet your "enemy"  because your viewpoint is getting more and more skewed every day - violent fantasies are being interjected into your posts more and more often. You are becoming radicalized.


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Re: Nazis are cunts [Re: shivas.wisdom]
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You believe this bullshit



not really, but i liken the speculation to that of the whim of those whom are sick of the hypocrisy of the "narrative", as the pedagogy calls it- and likes to point out that, in fact, the guy has all the hallmarks (animal rights, atheist, ect ect) of someone who is a left-winger. now we need to wait for more news. (PS: it's not unlike how people want to assume crimes that people have done to be motivated by "right-wing causes" ect... but you don't see me presuming anything as such, just that the evidence points to him being a left-leaning person, and that's it. any videos i might post doesn't necessarily reflect my views. i don't like waiting for spin. i just look at all the information, immediately, as it comes, and sort it all out myself. why wait for some asshat to do all the work for me?
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but are unconvinced Heather Heyer was murdered



didn't ever say that. she was murdered. but not by being hit- but by being in the crowd, (probably got smacked by some mid-air individual but nevertheless), and then dying from  heart attack, which her mother even admitted, on the scene.

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You just need to get off the internet and meet your "enemy"  because your viewpoint is getting more and more skewed every day - violent fantasies are being interjected into your posts more and more often. You are becoming radicalized.



LOL, that's the funny thing. you are, and here i am just talking...and you don't know my intentions- i always preface any sort of "fantasy" with the notion of it's sarcasm, and/or it's whim, ie, i have stated on a couple occasions that "i'm being driven to fascism", or something to that effect. it's facetious on the face of it, but it's a somewhat accurate, if hyperbolic, sentiment, that i'm providing for a reason...the fact that you think I'M radicalized, sitting her in my underwear, makes you seem kind ridiculous- i am the most peaceful person, but simultaneously i am also a very hostile person...like a dog, myself, i can go either way. but i like to contain my anger to my own personal time and space, and hopefully inject it into something like, even this right now, maybe...or whatever else helps...but then usually, i'm happier than a clam- and you won't see me roving the streets waving banners, seeing as i have none. so you're assuming things, and also...slightly ironically, i might add.

Edited by akira_akuma (11/07/17 07:18 PM)

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Re: Nazis are cunts [Re: akira_akuma] * 2
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akira_akuma said:
better is relative, though, isn't it? a win is a win.



deceptive wins can be converted to a scandalous loss later down the road.
Exhibit A:
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Now, I have to go back to work on my State of the Union speech. And I worked on it until pretty late last night. But I want to say one thing to the American people. I want you to listen to me. I'm going to say this again: I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky. I never told anybody to lie, not a single time; never. These allegations are false. And I need to go back to work for the American people. Thank you



technically true, but deceptive.
A short* time later:

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This afternoon in this room, from this chair, I testified before the Office of Independent Counsel and the grand jury.

I answered their questions truthfully, including questions about my private life, questions no American citizen would ever want to answer.

Still, I must take complete responsibility for all my actions, both public and private. And that is why I am speaking to you tonight.

As you know, in a deposition in January, I was asked questions about my relationship with Monica Lewinsky. While my answers were legally accurate, I did not volunteer information.

Indeed, I did have a relationship with Miss Lewinsky that was not appropriate. In fact, it was wrong. It constituted a critical lapse in judgment and a personal failure on my part for which I am solely and completely responsible.

But I told the grand jury today and I say to you now that at no time did I ask anyone to lie, to hide or destroy evidence or to take any other unlawful action.

I know that my public comments and my silence about this matter gave a false impression. I misled people, including even my wife. I deeply regret that.

I can only tell you I was motivated by many factors. First, by a desire to protect myself from the embarrassment of my own conduct.

I was also very concerned about protecting my family. The fact that these questions were being asked in a politically inspired lawsuit, which has since been dismissed, was a consideration, too.

In addition, I had real and serious concerns about an independent counsel investigation that began with private business dealings 20 years ago, dealings I might add about which an independent federal agency found no evidence of any wrongdoing by me or my wife over two years ago.

The independent counsel investigation moved on to my staff and friends, then into my private life. And now the investigation itself is under investigation.

This has gone on too long, cost too much and hurt too many innocent people.

Now, this matter is between me, the two people I love most -- my wife and our daughter -- and our God. I must put it right, and I am prepared to do whatever it takes to do so.

Nothing is more important to me personally. But it is private, and I intend to reclaim my family life for my family. It's nobody's business but ours.

Even presidents have private lives. It is time to stop the pursuit of personal destruction and the prying into private lives and get on with our national life.

Our country has been distracted by this matter for too long, and I take my responsibility for my part in all of this. That is all I can do.

Now it is time -- in fact, it is past time to move on.

We have important work to do -- real opportunities to seize, real problems to solve, real security matters to face.

And so tonight, I ask you to turn away from the spectacle of the past seven months, to repair the fabric of our national discourse, and to return our attention to all the challenges and all the promise of the next American century.

Thank you for watching. And good night.



:shrug:

It leaves you open to being caught out down the road.

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Re: Nazis are cunts [Re: Bigbadwooof] * 1
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Tipote said:
Bubbles85 said:
Move them goal posts much? Just admit that you hold racist views toward white people.



You dont understand the definition of racism.

How am I racist against white people?



Every paragraph you write on this site contains text about white this and white that.

BBW pretty much summed up what you do continuously in this post.
Bigbadwooof said:
Tipote said:
And for whites, at the top of the chain, to talk about 'just trying to survive' is laughable and ignorant. Whites in this country hold the reigns of power yet you are butthurt about people of colour having a better chance to say.. get into college. Insecure about losing white privilege much?



... Hold the reigns of power? Is that what you think I go about doing all day? :lmafo:

Hardly. You act as though white people are a coalition, like a tribe, working against other people. That is a very erroneous approach to take.



Your disgust for white people and your clear assumption that white people are the problem is fucking obvious.

If any other member of this site harped on about people of any other demographic the way you do about people with white skin, you would have no problem deeming their views to be seated in racism.

Edited by Bubbles85 (11/06/17 03:47 AM)

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