TempestDnB said:

Where is your compassion? These are confused and angry people, and a minority.

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TempestDnB said:

These are confused and angry people, and a minority

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TempestDnB said:they need taken out for a beer, shown some love). They're fucking human beings. Be a more mature human being.

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qman said:

shivas.wisdom said:

qman said:

I can't attack someone because I THINK they might do something to me because of their ideology.

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So am I correct to assume you would be alright with a radical mosque that only preaches violent jihad but doesn't participate in any violence directly?

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Once they're in the US, UK or EU legally, most of their radical rhetoric is allowed under the law.That's why I don't want them here in the first place.

No group can attacked them and be protected under the law, it doesn't work that way.

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but I don't live in the USA so I'll pick my battles. I guess we will see how your gamble pays off in these turbulent times.

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members of the hundreds-strong torch march surrounded and attacked a group of maybe two dozen unarmed and unmasked UVA students who had encircled a statue.

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With Trump seemly fueling these assholes, and the police doing fuck all, people have to do something.

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Well they are actually booming in terms of recruitment these days and I wonder why?

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Also I agree that they are confused and angry people, it would have been really excellent to try to deprogramme these people by supporting groups like "Life After Hate" which is an organisation run by an ex-neo nazi trying to get people away from that shit. The problem is.. Trump cut funding to this group and others.

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Where is THEIR compassion? They are too self absorbed in their own lack of discrimination.

If reason hasn't got through to them then at least there has to be a social cost to parading around as a Nazi - a punch in the head seems reasonable.

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And don't make this about free speech, inciting genocide is not acceptable as a political position. full stop.

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Tipote said:

qman said:

You didn't put any conditions on that statement, don't back down from your position because of our judgments on you, stand proud.

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I have no problem with offensive and defensive violence against Nazis.

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qman said:

Tipote said:

qman said:

You didn't put any conditions on that statement, don't back down from your position because of our judgments on you, stand proud.

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I have no problem with offensive and defensive violence against Nazis.

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And that's why you're in a very small minority of radicals.

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help the nazi, punch the nazi!1

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"Life After Hate"

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help a nazi, punch a nazi!1

(PS: great i clicked on the link. )

akira_akuma said:

your people were there to "defend" a statue they were "defending" to thereafter DESTROY- which means they, the rally, were doing what the police refused to do, and that's protect that property they the taxpayers PAID FOR- you live in a DEMOCRATIC NATION OF LAWS- you DEBATE, you use YOUR WORDS- and ever since people started SUPPORTED TRUMP OPENLY, let alone wearing hats with MAGA on it, even before his election to be president, and ever since then ANTIFA have been roving around- SJWs have been anti-free-speech craptivists even years before all this, too, exacerbating the anti-right-wing sentiment all the more, you "anarchists" in ANTIFA, and COMMUNISTS there too, have been IN THE STREETS on the PROWL, and you all openly ADMIT IT, to STIFLE people's rights to expression and free speech and assembly, FOR A WHOLE LOT LONGER, and PISSING PEOPLE OFF. if you don't get that then you're hopeless.

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Tipote said:

Enlil said:

Tipote said:

I'm sure there was some self defense at the rally but any violence coming to Nazis is justified.

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I find this position to be reprehensible and indefensible. That pretty much makes you as much of a bigot as the Nazis.

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Should counter protesters just stand there and get fucked up?

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shivas.wisdom said:

In one paragraph you state that fascists were justified in attacking counter-protesters who maybe (you claim) would have later destroyed a statue because defence of public property! and then immediately follow with "you DEBATE, you use YOUR WORDS", with a near seamless transfer into a tirade against anti-free speech sjw antifa who are unjustified in attacking fascists who maybe will act on their violent speech because self-defence is apparently not given the same protection as property in your books.

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akira_akuma said:

ya you live in Cuckistan...

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and it was pointed out to you, then ignored by you, when i said that they were not supposed to be there and they were there to instigate the crowd, and then block the rally from PROTECTING the statue which is what they bought the permit for- they had the right to be there, and the counter-protesters did not,

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TempestDnB said:

You talk about these "Nazis" as if they're less than human, as if they should be rounded up and shot or something. You sir sound like a bigot.

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You're bad at civic nationalism.

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ballsalsa said:

TempestDnB said:

You talk about these "Nazis" as if they're less than human, as if they should be rounded up and shot or something. You sir sound like a bigot.

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They shouldn't be rounded up and shot...they should be rounded up and put on a reservation where they can practice their ancestral lifestyle without bothering the rest of the civilized world.

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Enlil said:

That's not what you said, dude.  You said that ANY violence coming to Nazis is justified. 

That's pretty vile, bro.

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qman said:

I heard that the Nov. 4th Antifa/anti-Trump rallies were a big failure.

I listen to a few of the demonstrations and interviews on Utube, talk about complete idiots, I actually feel sorry of them. 

Most of these kids and young adults will grow out of this phase, it's all based on emotion and nothing more, very sad.

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Most of the radical left sees them as a bad joke.

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the radical left is a bad joke. but thanks for the information. refusefascism was meant to be made fun...and it was fun to see them become a poster child for ANTIFA.

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and distorted by far-right news and social media until we arrived at ridiculous claims like "antifa supersoldiers coming to kill all registered gun owners" or "civil war: antifa leader plans to decapitate white people"

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someone is a little slow on the up-keep.

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You're bad at civic nationalism.

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you've made it the way it is. i defend the nation, not the cringefest that is the Cuckistan politics. your nation is Cuckistan.

my nation is Canada.

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According to law, both groups were equally entitled to gather in protest on both Friday and Saturday. Your insinuation that the counter-protesters were the initial disruptors, and therefore in the wrong, fails to address the events of Friday night

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given this new information regarding protest permits on the UVA campus, do you still feel the fascists were justified in surrounded and attacking the counter-protesters on Friday night?

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i NEVER said it was justified. look back at my posts- you never see me but condemn it. find me one quote where i "justify" their actions.

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For example, can you clarify statements like this: "and it was pointed out to you, then ignored by you, when i said that they were not supposed to be there and they were there to instigate the crowd, and then block the rally from PROTECTING the statue which is what they bought the permit for- they had the right to be there, and the counter-protesters did not," - understanding that no permit was required to gather in protest and that the statue in question was not even the one of Robert E. Lee that Unite the Right was explicitly gathering in defence of, do you still believe that the counter-protesters on Friday night were in the wrong?

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