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Re: Nazis are cunts [Re: shivas.wisdom]
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I remember trying to beat the shit out of my friends after playing Punch Out.... especially after losing to Soda Popinski


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Re: Nazis are cunts [Re: SirTripAlot]
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Maybe you could explain why you consider this video game trailer specifically incites violence? Why is it different from, for example, a game that simulates mass civilian murder?



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Re: Nazis are cunts [Re: shivas.wisdom]
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That one just looks like a really shit game. The first one you posted is deliberately combined with images of real life recent events in order to blur the line between fantasy and reality and send the message that it's ok to shoot trump supporters in the face.

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Re: Nazis are cunts [Re: shivas.wisdom]
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shivas.wisdom said:
Maybe you could explain why you consider this video game trailer specifically incites violence? Why is it different from, for example, a game that simulates mass civilian murder?




I still need to work on my delivery...that was a joke about Nintendo Punch Out


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Re: Nazis are cunts [Re: SirTripAlot]
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tHEfLY said:
The first one you posted is deliberately combined with images of real life recent events in order to blur the line between fantasy and reality and send the message that it's ok to shoot trump supporters in the face.


What makes this different from the argument that video games lead to violence by blurring the lines between reality and fantasy?


SirTripAlot said:
I still need to work on my delivery...that was a joke about Nintendo Punch Out


Sorry, too many loses to Soda Pops to be able to find it funny. Just too soon.


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Re: Nazis are cunts [Re: shivas.wisdom]
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Well I don't think gratuitous violence is healthy in either context, but videogames are a different subject and I already just told you how it's different. You complained about your propaganda being taken down and all I'm basically saying is, well , what did you expect? If antifa made a sensible video explaining their philosophy and it got taken down I might have some sympathy, but this is just more "trump supporters are nazis and nazis need to be killed" bs.

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Re: Nazis are cunts [Re: tHEfLY]
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Video games are not "a different subject", it's literally a trailer for a video game; and I wasn't complaining about it being taken down so much as I was interested in hearing the opinions of our resident free speech defenders with respect to this instance of censorship.

Once again, it appears your argument is that censorship is appropriate in this case because the trailer blurs the line between reality and fantasy, and this is effectively incitement to violence towards Trump supporters.

And so I'll ask you: What differentiates it from the general argument that video games lead to violence by blurring the lines between reality and fantasy? How does this trailer fail the "Brandenburg Incitement Test", if you believe this trailer constitutes as incitement?


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Re: Nazis are cunts [Re: shivas.wisdom]
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It's not literally a trailer for a videogame when it's been interspliced with images of real people and an obvious political agenda. You know exactly what the video is saying and why it got removed, stop being so disingenuous.

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Re: Nazis are cunts [Re: tHEfLY]
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Are you saying that video game trailers can't include real footage or political messaging?

I'm aware that the trailer makes a connection between Trump and nazis, but I do not see how it would qualify as either hate speech (reason for censorship given by youtube) or incitement to violence (reason for censorship given by you).

Sure, youtube can remove any video for any reason; that's not the point. And sure, I'm admittedly opposed to unlimited freedom of speech; that's not the point either. The point is that I am curious as to how the individuals on this board who frequently defend nazis on the principles of free speech will respond to this case. Are they principled or sympathizers.

Now, to be honest, I'm not familiar with your opinion on this matter. Free speech, hate speech, censorship, nazis and whatnot. So I'll ask you, not why you think youtube removed the trailer, but whether you agree with the censorship?


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Re: Nazis are cunts [Re: shivas.wisdom]
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shivas.wisdom said:
The new Wolfenstein trailer wasn't even up on youtube for 24 hours before nazi sympathizing free speech defenders got it removed as "hate speech".



What say our resident defenders of the right to offend?


That is not an official trailer,
there are multiple official trailers on the Bethesda Softworks channel on youtube
containing in-game footage of nazis and klan members being shot in the face
and with a very high ratio of thumbs up





but, yeah, youtube can still remove whatever they want from their platform
fortunately Wolfenstein lets plays have already gone up on some of my subscribed channels :awesomenod:

Wolfenstein as a series is an interesting point of discussion around free speech
the violent killing of nazis is a game
while in Germany, the series is banned for using the Swastika
and an alternate German version will have to be made with all references to nazis removed
as was done previously

Australia has banned a number of games over the years, but Wolfenstein seems to have made the cut there  :kenthumbup:
number of people on the Steam forums complaining it is banned in Israel tho,
they must have some issue with killing nazis there
:shrug:

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Re: Nazis are cunts [Re: Tantrika] * 1
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... Can we please get back on topic. The topic here is: Nazis are cunts. Let us discuss. Stay focused, people!


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Re: Nazis are cunts [Re: shivas.wisdom]
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shivas.wisdom said:
Are you saying that video game trailers can't include real footage or political messaging?


Sure they can, but come on, nothing like this.

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shivas.wisdom said:


Now, to be honest, I'm not familiar with your opinion on this matter. Free speech, hate speech, censorship, nazis and whatnot. So I'll ask you, not why you think youtube removed the trailer, but whether you agree with the censorship?


That's tough because I don't have any fixed beliefs about it. I like freedom of speech and I think Americans are extremely lucky to have the first ammendment, but as with most people I tend to just support freedom for things I like. In this case it's not so much that I support the censorship, I just don't care about it.

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Re: Nazis are cunts [Re: Bigbadwooof] * 3
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Bigbadwooof said:
... Can we please get back on topic. The topic here is: Nazis are cunts. Let us discuss. Stay focused, people!


we are on topic
nazis are one of the most popular enemies used in videogames
because they are cunts
:cookiemonster:

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Re: Nazis are cunts [Re: Tantrika]
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Tantrika said:
That is not an official trailer


Oh no the fake news got me.


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Re: Nazis are cunts [Re: shivas.wisdom]
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shivas.wisdom said:
Tantrika said:
That is not an official trailer


Oh no the fake news got me.


No worries, the Anti-Fashionistas get a lot of people


:kenthumbup:

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Re: Nazis are cunts [Re: Tantrika]
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You have learned me many things tonight.


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Re: Nazis are cunts [Re: shivas.wisdom]
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God do I love President Donald J. Trump and the tears he's causing the left.


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Re: Nazis are cunts [Re: meltdowner]
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meltdowner said:
God do I love President Donald J. Trump and the tears he's causing the left.


You're like "speaking of Nazis".... :lol:


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Re: Nazis are cunts [Re: Seriously_trippin] * 4
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Re: Nazis are cunts [Re: meltdowner]
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meltdowner said:
Everyone in this thread insulting Nazi's here needs to let off some steam.


:lol:
meltdowner said:
I don't even know why this is a conversation today, the kkk and neo nazis aren't a threat to anyone.  You make them a made up threat because you need to hate something, it seems.



Is this a trolling post? How on earth are the KKK and neonazis not a threat to anyone?


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