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Re: ANTIFA [Re: qman]
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qman said:
ballsalsa said:
No, I'm saying that there is little demand for Milo or Ann in that town to begin with, which was the whole purpose of the publicity stunt in the first place, to get a rise out of the vast majority of locals.  My point was that we wouldn't be having these dueling rallies if out-of-towners would stay home to protest.



"there is little demand for Milo or Ann in that town to begin with"

Total nonsense, you do realize that there are conservative student organizations at Berkeley? 

You do realize there are plenty of conservative students at Berkeley? 



hence, "little demand"

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"publicity stunt...to get a rise"

So now this is a conspiracy by a small group of students? :facepalm:  I'm sorry, but Milo, Coulter and Shapiro speak at LOTS of different universities across the country, these speaking engagements are NOT "publicity stunts". :facepalm:



I didn't say anything about a conspiracy, and i'm not sure which student group requested the speaking engagement.  I do know that student groups like various "young republican" groups are just extensions of the local party apparatus because i have a buddy that was president of a neighboring county's "young republican" group.

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The violent protests were there way before the counter protesters came onto the scene.



I didn't suggest otherwise.  Those protests were a local response to an unwanted visiting speaker/speakers.  The counter-protests are being propped up by outsiders of the same ilk as the dumbshit oregon standoff hillbillies.

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Re: ANTIFA [Re: lowbrow]
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lowbrow said:
The Ecstatic said:
Conclusions like "Antifa are just as bad as actual fascists."




ANTIFA attempts to shut down free speech.  That is an element of fascist



Agreed, thats pretty damn clear and there needs to be accountability for this. Decentralizing to avoid that accountability is a deception as far as Im concerned.

Repeatedly and violently disrupting free speech makes this organization a terrorist organization, especially as that seems to be their only tennant "non-platform" (PC for violent intimidation aka terrorism)

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Re: ANTIFA [Re: Repertoire89]
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Every single political group on the planet has elements that overreact to dissenting speech.


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Re: ANTIFA [Re: qman]
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qman said:
The Ecstatic said:
Conclusions like "Antifa are just as bad as actual fascists."

Or its fraternal twin: "the people who call out racism are the real racists."



In many cases those statements have lots of evidence and validity behind them.



In many cases, priests rape children.

Is it fair for me to go around saying Catholics are child rapists?


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Re: ANTIFA [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said:
Every single political group on the planet has elements that overreact to dissenting speech.




ANTIFA appears to be a major culprit and your not owning up to the fact that they attempt to shut down free speech.


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Amanita86 said:
Sui is trying to mod right now.  Kinda like a newborn calf tryin ta stand fer the first time ain’t it..

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Re: ANTIFA [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said:
In many cases, priests rape children.

Is it fair for me to go around saying Catholics are child rapists?




Your not making sense.  Nobody said every member of ANTIFA participated in the riots and civil rights violations.  Just the ones that showed up.

Edited by lowbrow (07/05/17 03:18 PM)

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Re: ANTIFA [Re: lowbrow]
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lowbrow said:
The Ecstatic said:
Every single political group on the planet has elements that overreact to dissenting speech.




ANTIFA appears to be a major culprit and your not owning up to the fact that they attempt to shut down free speech.



Appears to be != is.


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Re: ANTIFA [Re: lowbrow] * 1
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lowbrow said:
The Ecstatic said:
In many cases, priests rape children.

Is it fair for me to go around saying Catholics are child rapists?




Your not making sense.  Nobody said every member of ANTIFA participated in the riots and civil rights violations.  Just the ones that showed up.



So when you say things like Antifa is trying to shut down free speech, what exactly are you saying?


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Re: ANTIFA [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
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From what I gather, Antifa is the only group we're allowed to paint with a broad brush.


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Re: ANTIFA [Re: ballsalsa]
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ballsalsa said:
qman said:
ballsalsa said:
No, I'm saying that there is little demand for Milo or Ann in that town to begin with, which was the whole purpose of the publicity stunt in the first place, to get a rise out of the vast majority of locals.  My point was that we wouldn't be having these dueling rallies if out-of-towners would stay home to protest.



"there is little demand for Milo or Ann in that town to begin with"

Total nonsense, you do realize that there are conservative student organizations at Berkeley? 

You do realize there are plenty of conservative students at Berkeley? 



hence, "little demand"

Quote:
"publicity stunt...to get a rise"

So now this is a conspiracy by a small group of students? :facepalm:  I'm sorry, but Milo, Coulter and Shapiro speak at LOTS of different universities across the country, these speaking engagements are NOT "publicity stunts". :facepalm:



I didn't say anything about a conspiracy, and i'm not sure which student group requested the speaking engagement.  I do know that student groups like various "young republican" groups are just extensions of the local party apparatus because i have a buddy that was president of a neighboring county's "young republican" group.

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The violent protests were there way before the counter protesters came onto the scene.



I didn't suggest otherwise.  Those protests were a local response to an unwanted visiting speaker/speakers.  The counter-protests are being propped up by outsiders of the same ilk as the dumbshit oregon standoff hillbillies.



"little demand"

So minorities don't deserve a voice? 

"not sure what student group requested the speaking engagement"

It's immaterial, it could be BLM's, it doesn't matter. 

"dumbshit...hillbillies"

Reported for geographical bigotry. :cookiemonster:

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Re: ANTIFA [Re: The Ecstatic]
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The Ecstatic said:
So when you say things like Antifa is trying to shut down free speech, what exactly are you saying?



That they're trying to limit the points they don't like by not allowing dialogue. 

Ya know, trying to shut down free speech.


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Amanita86 said:
Sui is trying to mod right now.  Kinda like a newborn calf tryin ta stand fer the first time ain’t it..

Edited by lowbrow (07/05/17 04:36 PM)

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Re: ANTIFA [Re: qman]
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qman said:
ballsalsa said:
  Those protests were a local response to an unwanted visiting speaker/speakers.  The counter-protests are being propped up by outsiders of the same ilk as the dumbshit oregon standoff hillbillies.



"dumbshit...hillbillies"

Reported for geographical bigotry. :cookiemonster:




report away.  I stand by my statement.

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Re: ANTIFA [Re: The Ecstatic] * 1
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they not only disrupt and destroy, they beat people up, dox people, assign rank and file troop support at rallies, and they've been defrauding the people since before Trump was elected (Nazi symbols in front of a church, found to be hoax, ect ect)

Edited by akira_akuma (08/31/17 02:56 PM)

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Re: ANTIFA [Re: akira_akuma]
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They'll probably stop after they start getting shot and the courts start coming to the conclusion that dinging chunks of bone, viscera, meat and vital organs out of somebody is a proportionate response to having them hurl explosives at you.

Oh yeah, throwing firecrackers at somebody doesn't make you look cheeky.  It just makes you look like a fucking idiot who really wants to be shot to death.

Edited by chibiabos (07/05/17 05:07 PM)

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Re: ANTIFA [Re: lowbrow]
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lowbrow said:
The Ecstatic said:
So when you say things like Antifa is trying to shut down free speech, what exactly are you saying?



That they're trying to limit the points they don't like by not allowing dialogue. 

Ya know, trying to shut down free speech.



So it WOULD be fair to say Catholics are trying to rape children, then.

We can use a small minority of one group to stereotype the whole.


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Re: ANTIFA [Re: akira_akuma]
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akira_akuma said:
The Ecstatic said:
So when you say things like Antifa is trying to shut down free speech, what exactly are you saying?



that people under the ANTIFA banner/moniker are trying to influence the free speech of others, and not JUST infuriating everyone, but RESTRICTING people's MOVEMENT (which is also unconstitutional; Enlil, would this fall under free speech? freedom of expression?) with their drums and their "ANTI-FASISTA!" rabbl-rousing [by SURROUNDING PEOPLE and shouting in their face, trying to COVER THEIR CAMERA (you have RIGHTS to film, again; Enlil- this falls under freedom of speech, right? freedom of the press), and then they act all glib and/or they strive to get angrier until...], oh yeah, and they attack people. that's pretty stifling for free speech, obviously, because who else are they attacking but people? and for what? just being there. like a mob.



Just like Trump supporters, the most loud and violent and attention-seeking ones get the publicity.


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Re: ANTIFA [Re: The Ecstatic]
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yeah, right and they are stupid as well, i mean, loud-mouthed ones are arrogant and stupid sometimes, but the ones who'd resort violence- as idiots go- are big-time. they should be stopped.

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Re: ANTIFA [Re: ballsalsa]
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ballsalsa said:
qman said:
Stonehenge said:
Its really cause staff is in favor of all left wing lunatics so moving this to politics or conspiracy is a way of putting down opposition to the anti free speech crowd.



The snowflakes in the Pub can't handle people disagreeing with their liberal positions, but as a result traffic is now down in the Pub as viewers don't have any real content to read.

So "the vibe" is now "positive" but viewership is down, why am I not surprised?  BTW, I'm assuming traffic is down because it's dead in there now, I don't think it's a wild speculation on my part.



its driving traffic to political discussion, but that's a double edged sword.  You had been becoming gradually more credible until so many far-rightwingers started showing up.  the viktors and eminences have been a bad influence on you.  You've been running with a bad crowd, Q.  It's not that I'm mad, I'm just disappointed. 
We used to have real discussions around here sometimes.  People would make claims that they could back up with sources.  We might not ever agree, but at least we would have something to think about.  Now everyone is too busy shouting slogans at each other.  Even the Shroomery has fallen victim to the trumpification of the political discourse.

:feelsbatman:




This is a bit unfair ballsalsa.

This forum has been dominated by liberals for so long that qman and any other conservative would be an exceptional minority.
it comes off like you miss the days where the sheer amount of liberals made him keep quiet about what he thinks so as not to be ridiculed by half this website, ergo fall in line and tow the narrative.

That might not be what you are intending but it's how it came across to me at least.

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Re: ANTIFA [Re: Cinnamon] * 1
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I don't think it is unfair at all.
When ZiG died, Q started to try to pick up the slack and become the respected conservative voice around here.  He was making reasoned arguments.  Even when it was just outlandishly clownish caricatures like HU and burgerbrain, qman had too much dignity to throw in with them whole-hog, and seemed to attempt to keep a level of sophistication to differentiate himself from their buffoonery.  But with guys like viktor around, smart enough to cover their belligerent arguments with a thin veneer of wit, he's been backsliding.

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Re: ANTIFA [Re: Cinnamon] * 2
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This forum has long had more conservatives than liberals, although the liberals have usually been more intelligent.


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