qman said:

ballsalsa said:

No, I'm saying that there is little demand for Milo or Ann in that town to begin with, which was the whole purpose of the publicity stunt in the first place, to get a rise out of the vast majority of locals.  My point was that we wouldn't be having these dueling rallies if out-of-towners would stay home to protest.

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"there is little demand for Milo or Ann in that town to begin with"

Total nonsense, you do realize that there are conservative student organizations at Berkeley? 

You do realize there are plenty of conservative students at Berkeley? 

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lowbrow said:

The Ecstatic said:

Conclusions like "Antifa are just as bad as actual fascists."

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ANTIFA attempts to shut down free speech.  That is an element of fascist

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qman said:

The Ecstatic said:

Conclusions like "Antifa are just as bad as actual fascists."

Or its fraternal twin: "the people who call out racism are the real racists."

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In many cases those statements have lots of evidence and validity behind them.

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The Ecstatic said:

Every single political group on the planet has elements that overreact to dissenting speech.

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The Ecstatic said:

In many cases, priests rape children.

Is it fair for me to go around saying Catholics are child rapists?

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lowbrow said:

The Ecstatic said:

Every single political group on the planet has elements that overreact to dissenting speech.

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ANTIFA appears to be a major culprit and your not owning up to the fact that they attempt to shut down free speech.

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lowbrow said:

The Ecstatic said:

In many cases, priests rape children.

Is it fair for me to go around saying Catholics are child rapists?

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Your not making sense.  Nobody said every member of ANTIFA participated in the riots and civil rights violations.  Just the ones that showed up.

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ballsalsa said:

qman said:

ballsalsa said:

No, I'm saying that there is little demand for Milo or Ann in that town to begin with, which was the whole purpose of the publicity stunt in the first place, to get a rise out of the vast majority of locals.  My point was that we wouldn't be having these dueling rallies if out-of-towners would stay home to protest.

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"there is little demand for Milo or Ann in that town to begin with"

Total nonsense, you do realize that there are conservative student organizations at Berkeley? 

You do realize there are plenty of conservative students at Berkeley? 

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hence, "little demand"

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"publicity stunt...to get a rise"

So now this is a conspiracy by a small group of students?   I'm sorry, but Milo, Coulter and Shapiro speak at LOTS of different universities across the country, these speaking engagements are NOT "publicity stunts".

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I didn't say anything about a conspiracy, and i'm not sure which student group requested the speaking engagement.  I do know that student groups like various "young republican" groups are just extensions of the local party apparatus because i have a buddy that was president of a neighboring county's "young republican" group.

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The violent protests were there way before the counter protesters came onto the scene.

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I didn't suggest otherwise.  Those protests were a local response to an unwanted visiting speaker/speakers.  The counter-protests are being propped up by outsiders of the same ilk as the dumbshit oregon standoff hillbillies.

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"little demand"

So minorities don't deserve a voice? 

"not sure what student group requested the speaking engagement"

It's immaterial, it could be BLM's, it doesn't matter. 

"dumbshit...hillbillies"

Reported for geographical bigotry.

The Ecstatic said:

So when you say things like Antifa is trying to shut down free speech, what exactly are you saying?

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qman said:

ballsalsa said:

  Those protests were a local response to an unwanted visiting speaker/speakers.  The counter-protests are being propped up by outsiders of the same ilk as the dumbshit oregon standoff hillbillies.

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"dumbshit...hillbillies"

Reported for geographical bigotry.

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lowbrow said:

The Ecstatic said:

So when you say things like Antifa is trying to shut down free speech, what exactly are you saying?

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That they're trying to limit the points they don't like by not allowing dialogue. 

Ya know, trying to shut down free speech.

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akira_akuma said:

The Ecstatic said:

So when you say things like Antifa is trying to shut down free speech, what exactly are you saying?

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that people under the ANTIFA banner/moniker are trying to influence the free speech of others, and not JUST infuriating everyone, but RESTRICTING people's MOVEMENT (which is also unconstitutional; Enlil, would this fall under free speech? freedom of expression?) with their drums and their "ANTI-FASISTA!" rabbl-rousing [by SURROUNDING PEOPLE and shouting in their face, trying to COVER THEIR CAMERA (you have RIGHTS to film, again; Enlil- this falls under freedom of speech, right? freedom of the press), and then they act all glib and/or they strive to get angrier until...], oh yeah, and they attack people. that's pretty stifling for free speech, obviously, because who else are they attacking but people? and for what? just being there. like a mob.

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ballsalsa said:

qman said:

Stonehenge said:

Its really cause staff is in favor of all left wing lunatics so moving this to politics or conspiracy is a way of putting down opposition to the anti free speech crowd.

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The snowflakes in the Pub can't handle people disagreeing with their liberal positions, but as a result traffic is now down in the Pub as viewers don't have any real content to read.

So "the vibe" is now "positive" but viewership is down, why am I not surprised?  BTW, I'm assuming traffic is down because it's dead in there now, I don't think it's a wild speculation on my part.

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its driving traffic to political discussion, but that's a double edged sword.  You had been becoming gradually more credible until so many far-rightwingers started showing up.  the viktors and eminences have been a bad influence on you.  You've been running with a bad crowd, Q.  It's not that I'm mad, I'm just disappointed. 
We used to have real discussions around here sometimes.  People would make claims that they could back up with sources.  We might not ever agree, but at least we would have something to think about.  Now everyone is too busy shouting slogans at each other.  Even the Shroomery has fallen victim to the trumpification of the political discourse.

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