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Cinctulus and Panaeolopsis
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Hello, I was curious if anyone knows if there's any taxonomy link between P. Cinctulus and Panaeolopsis? I ask because sometimes they can be found around the same area as cinctulus. They even kinda look similar. Thanks!


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Re: Cinctulus and Panaeolopsis [Re: Wedgie]
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Search for panaeolopsis in here. Search is upper right corner.
Look for posts by workman and inski. I believe they are almost genetically the same, if not exact.
The DNA was run from someone's collection.

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Re: Cinctulus and Panaeolopsis [Re: Origyn]
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Origyn said:
Search for panaeolopsis in here. Search is upper right corner.
Look for posts by workman and inski. I believe they are almost genetically the same, if not exact.
The DNA was run from someone's collection.


Interesting. I vaguely remember a thread where maybe Alan was mentioning this.

Sadly no Panaeolopsis found in my country. So far, at least.


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Re: Cinctulus and Panaeolopsis [Re: Anglerfish]
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I actually just messaged Alan this morning to ask if he got the chance to study the collection I sent him last year.
He said not yet. :tongue:

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Re: Cinctulus and Panaeolopsis [Re: foragedfungus]
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foragedfungus said:
I actually just messaged Alan this morning to ask if he got the chance to study the collection I sent him last year.
He said not yet. :tongue:




How long does something like that take, sending spores for analysis? On average that is. :confused: EDIT: I'm sorry How long does it normally take to receive the results?


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Edited by Wedgie (06/20/17 06:22 PM)

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Re: Cinctulus and Panaeolopsis [Re: Wedgie]
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Alan was going to extract DNA from a dried fruit.
I really don't know an "average" timeline. If you pay a lab to do it, probably a few weeks. :shrug:
I've been told avalabs will do DNA sequencing for around 20 dollars.

Alan offered to do it as a side project. But he just told he won't get to it til December. So, 18+?months.
If we average those two numbers we get a timeframe of about 9.5 months. :goat:

Edited by foragedfungus (06/20/17 07:35 PM)

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Re: Cinctulus and Panaeolopsis [Re: foragedfungus] * 1
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I just added a sequence for https://mushroomobserver.org/252185:

GGTGGGTTGTTGCTGTCCCTCTCGGGGGAATTGTGCACACCTTACCTTTTTTGTTTTTCCACCTGTGCACACACTGTAGGTCTGAAGGAGGGGAAGGGGGGGGAAgTAACACTCTCCCCCTGAAACACTTTCaGGTCCTATGTATTTTACACATACACTATTAAAAGTAACAGAACGATTCAATGGGCTTCCAAGCCTATAAACTATATACAACTTTCAGCAACGGATCTCTTGGCTCTCGCATCGATGAAgAACGCAGCGAAATGCGATAAGTAATGTGAATTGCAgAATTCAGTGAATCATCGAATCTTTGAACGCACCTTGCGCTCGTTGGTATTCCGACGAGCATGCCTGTTTGAGTGTCATTAAATTCTCAACCTCAACACTTTTGTGATTGATGGCTTGGATGTGGAGGTTTTTCTGCAGGCTGTTAAAGTCTGCTCCTCTCAAATGAATTaGtGGGtGCCCCGCGCAAACCTATCTATTGGTGTGATAATTATCTACGCCgtGgATTATAgGATTGCTGtAAAAAGGTGTTTGCCCTGCTTCTAACCGTCCnCTyTGTTGGGACAACTTGAACCATTTGACCTCAaATCaaGTAGGACTACCCGCTGAACTTAAgCATATCAATAAGCGGAGGAAAAgAAACTAACaAGGATTCCCCTAgtAACTGCGAGTGAAGCGGGAAAAGCTCAAATTTAAAATCTGGCAgTCTTTGATTGT

The Panaeolopsis, https://mushroomobserver.org/251982 matches 100%:

GGTGGGTTGTTGCTGTCCCTCTcGGGGGAaTTGTGCACACCTTACCTTTTTTGTTTTTCCACCTGTGCACACACTGTAGGTCTGAAGGAGGGGAAGGGGGGGGAAGTAACACTCTCCCCCTGAAACACTTTCAGGTCCTATGTATTTTACACATACACTATTAAAAGTAACAGAACGATTCAATGGGCTTCCAAGCCTATAAACTATATACAACTTTCAGCAACGGATCTCTTGGCTCTCGCATCGATGAAGAACGCAGCGAAATGCGATAAGTAATGTGAATTGCAGAATTCAGTGAATCATCGAATCTTTGAACGCACCTTGCGCTCGTTGGTATTCCGACGAGCATGCCTGTTTGAGTGTCATTAAATTCTCAACCTCAACACTTTTGTGATTGATGGCTTGGATGTGGAGGTTTTTcTGCAGGCTGTTAAAGTCTGCTCCTCTCAAATGAATTAGTGGGTGCCCCGCGCAAACCTATCTATTGGTGTGATAATTATCTACGCCGTGGATTATAgGatTGCTGTAAAAAGGTGTTTGCCCTGCTTCTAACCGTCCCCTTTGTTGgGACAACTTGAACCATTTGACCTCAAATCAGGTAGGACTACCCGCTGAACTTAAGCATATCAATAAGCGGAgGAAAAGAAACTAACAagGAtTCCCCTAGTAACTGCGAGTGAAGCGGGAAAAGCTCAAATTTaAAATCTGGCAGTCTTTGATTGTCCGAgTtGtAATCTAgAGaAgCATTATCCGCGCTGGAC

Sometimes the cap doesn't open up all the way, but it's still the same species.

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Re: Cinctulus and Panaeolopsis [Re: foragedfungus]
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foragedfungus said:
Alan was going to extract DNA from a dried fruit. Alan offered to do it as a side project. But he just told he won't get to it til December. So, 18+?months.
If we average those two numbers we get a timeframe of about 9.5 months. :goat:


One eternity later… Lol…. JK! Alan, I’m sure you’re super busy.


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