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Re: owhsefhwe [Re: CookieCrumbs]
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Hermaphrodites posess characteristics of both sexes. That doesnt make them a third sex. I do not see that as evidence for non-binary genders having a biological basis.

I am glad you acknowledge people regretting teansitioning. Some people say that doesnt happen like my sister. It does happen.

Sadly i dont think doctors can determine weather or not people would really benefit from transitioning. They would likely be called a bigot and the patient could potentially either make a big stink or keep shopping for a doctor who recomends that they transition. Doctors have been called sexist for telling women that it is getting late to have a baby when they are on their thirties so facts and the opinion of medical proffesionals can apprrently be hateful.

The suicide rates dont change after the surgery though so there are doctors who refuse to preform sex changes.

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Re: owhsefhwe [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
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Sophistic Radiance said:
I was talking about myself.


Again im not saying non-binary people do or dont exist im saying i do not see any evidence of non-binary people having a biological basis. I dont see how you are evidence for non-binary people having a biological basis. Are you biologically distinct from a male or female?

Your identity is not evidence of a biological basis.

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Re: owhsefhwe [Re: BANANA.MAN]
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My biology is that of a woman with a penis.


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Re: owhsefhwe [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
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Sophistic Radiance said:
My biology is that of a woman with a penis.


We can preform DNA tests to determine weather an individual is a male or a female.  Could a DNA test differentiate you from a man or a woman? What makes you biologically distinct from a man or a woman?

Or is your identity the only differentiating factor?

Edited by BANANA.MAN (04/13/17 11:56 AM)

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Re: owhsefhwe [Re: BANANA.MAN] * 2
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I hate that we live in a world where feelings and emotions are more important than facts

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Re: owhsefhwe [Re: BANANA.MAN]
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Not reliably, no. I have female gene expression. It's not some social studies thing, we're talking about my goddamn biology and youre saying "nope nope doesnt exist". YES IT FUCKING DOES.


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Re: owhsefhwe [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
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Sophistic Radiance said:
Not reliably, no. I have female gene expression. It's not some social studies thing, we're talking about my goddamn biology and youre saying "nope nope doesnt exist". YES IT FUCKING DOES.


Sayin' don't make it so. You need evidence.

Im not telling you that it doesnt exist. Im saying i see no evidence of a biological basis. I am open to the possibility but i need evidence. To me evidence of a biological basis is the ability to differentiate non-binary people from males and females using DNA tests. We can use DNA to determine weather someone is male or female and we can determine their race so i am convinced that those have a biological basis. All the evidence i need for males, females and ethnicities having a biological basis is right there for me to see.

Your feelings dont matter, facts matter. Melting wont make you right.

Edited by BANANA.MAN (04/13/17 12:07 PM)

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Re: owhsefhwe [Re: BANANA.MAN]
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You are literally asking me to show my tits.


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Re: owhsefhwe [Re: Sophistic Radiance] * 1
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Sophistic Radiance said:
You are literally asking me to show my tits.


You're a woman on the internet,
what else did you expect?

:hug:

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Re: owhsefhwe [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
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that'll be clever

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Re: owhsefhwe [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
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Sophistic Radiance said:
You are literally asking me to show my tits.


:dafuq: ummmm no I'm not. Not even figuratively let alone literally.

I asked for genetic evidence to prove a biological basis for non-binary people.

I could grow tits if i wanted. Doesnt make me non-binary.

Edited by BANANA.MAN (04/13/17 12:10 PM)

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Re: owhsefhwe [Re: BANANA.MAN] * 1
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BANANA.MAN said:
Hermaphrodites posess characteristics of both sexes. That doesnt make them a third sex. I do not see that as evidence for non-binary genders having a biological basis.

I am glad you acknowledge people regretting teansitioning. Some people say that doesnt happen like my sister. It does happen.

Sadly i dont think doctors can determine weather or not people would really benefit from transitioning. They would likely be called a bigot and the patient could potentially either make a big stink or keep shopping for a doctor who recomends that they transition. Doctors have been called sexist for telling women that it is getting late to have a baby when they are on their thirties so facts and the opinion of medical proffesionals can apprrently be hateful.

The suicide rates dont change after the surgery though so there are doctors who refuse to preform sex changes.



Surgery is just a cosmetic thing. It has 0 impact on the medical purposes of transitioning. Hormone replacement therapy has major impact on the brain and body. Once the balance is found it does change the suicide rate. Or at least the depression rates. And it's not hard to understand why, people feel like shit when they aren't getting enough of the right hormones. It is believed to be one of the few ways to tell the difference between a physically trans person and a person who is not. Giving them the hormones of the opposite sex. If their brain chemistry resonates with estrogen instead of testosterone and they become healthier after HRT then that is strong evidence that there is an underlying physical necessity for "transition."  and strong evidence that it is a medical issue that requires medical treatment, which is HRT.


People obsess with the surgery. It's not the first step. It isn't even commonly a step at all. HRT is always used in transition, it is the requirement for transition, because of this medical theory. If a person does not consent to HRT then legally and medically they are not transgender.


As for your examples on how government officials and doctors be little pussies and don't do their jobs because someone might be upset - fuck them. They should lose their damn medical licence. Doctors do abortions and plastic surgery and infertility surgery and all of them have had heated critics. They fucking deal with it because politics are not their job. The health and wellbeing of their patients is.



Anyway, what would you need for evidence that a "non-binary" gender has a biological root?


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Re: owhsefhwe [Re: CookieCrumbs]
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Show me evidence that the suicide/depression rate improves for people who are on hormones. I havent seen any. I am open to the possibility but i have seen no evidence. You literally just claimed it imrpoved depression rates with no evidence at all.

If transitioning did appear to imprve suicide rates then id be all for it but we have never tried improving the suicide rates with any method other than transitioning which statistically doesnt help.

Maybe another method would help but people (even medical professionals) could be called a transphone for suggesting anything other than transitioning. That is preventing us from finding an acctual solution.

Transitioning may be right for some people but overall it doesnt help.

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Re: owhsefhwe [Re: CookieCrumbs]
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Yeah, my drivers license says I'm female actually. I am legally female. I had to get a letter from my doctor. The doctor's letter said, "this person is biologically female so you should probs mention that on her drivers license. Signed, a doctor."

The end????????


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Re: owhsefhwe [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
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Sophistic Radiance said:
Yeah, my drivers license says I'm female actually. I had to get a letter from my doctor. The doctor said, "this person is biologically female so you should probs mention that on her drivers license."

The end????????


I could get my ID changed if i wanted. Doesnt make me non-binary.

Lauren Southern is legally a man.



A lisence isnt biological evidence. ID is a "social construct" lol

Edited by BANANA.MAN (04/13/17 12:25 PM)

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Re: owhsefhwe [Re: Cujllickduo]
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JustAnotherFreak said:
that'll be clever


:nocomment:

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Re: owhsefhwe [Re: BANANA.MAN]
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They have tried other methods tho. We've been using other methods to help trans people for 100 years. Over 50 for when mental health started to become some solid study with solid treatments. Of which traditional treatments for trans people have been traditional therapy, talking with a shrink, and medications such as antidepressants and antipsychotics. Both of which have had extremely lmited success rates.



Man I'm sorry for what your sister did to you. Whatever it was seems to have you thinking everyone in the world walks on eggshells and gives unreasonable leverage to hyper liberal fools.



I do respect your desire for statics and hard numbers. Not sure they all can be found but I will look around and see what I can find. Might not be able to post until tonight or tomorrow tho cuz I'm avoiding 3rd party sites on my phone. Viruses are not fun.


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Re: owhsefhwe [Re: BANANA.MAN]
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BANANA.MAN said:
Sophistic Radiance said:
Yeah, my drivers license says I'm female actually. I had to get a letter from my doctor. The doctor said, "this person is biologically female so you should probs mention that on her drivers license."

The end????????


I could get my ID changed if i wanted. Doesnt make me non-binary.

Lauren Southern is legally a man.




Yeah, but here's the thing: you think you know better than my fucking doctor. That is so ridiculous, dude. Do you really think you're intellectually equipped to argue with my doctor? Some dude on the internet, named BANANA.MAN, who dictates my biology to me without understanding the most rudimentary principles of biology in general, never-the-less my own?


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Re: owhsefhwe [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
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Ive seen no evidence of a biological basis for non-binary genders from your doctor. If your doctor determined you are a female withe the DNA test then i would accept it.

Did he/she just talk to you and determine your ide tity or did he use DNA evidence?

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Re: owhsefhwe [Re: BANANA.MAN]
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Karyotype doesn't even determine gender. Look, I bet you don't even know what a "karyotype" is, but it's the test that would show what my chromosomes -look like-. It doesn't actually predict sex or gender very well, thanks to that chromosomal crossover thing I mentioned, did you do your reading?

IDGAF if you accept what my doctor said or not man, how does it affect me? You're just some dude on the internet, named BANANA.MAN. You can live in denial all you please.


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