Bodhi of Ankou said:

Why is the political answer to this a tax on the thing we exhale and trees breath?

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Patlal said:

shivas.wisdom said:

My Yukon town, Dawson City, uses an ice bridge in winter to cross the Yukon river. This year, the river did not freeze completely and a lot of old timers were commenting out loud how uncommon this has been all their many years.

The north is definitely warming up fast. Not stoked on the Yukon potentially becoming the next California.

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The Yukon is filled with so many resources though... It's part of Canada's saving bank account. 50 years from now, Northern Canada will start becoming mining towns and eventually turn out to be ghost towns... Hopefully an economy besides the resource will evelop

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keyser_soze said:

this might sound crazy and blasphemous...


but i am pretty sure they are going to keep melting, as they have since the ice age started to end.

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shivas.wisdom said:

You'd be surprised. Mining is the number one industry up there, but there are a lot of independent operations and a good majority of folks understand that not all resource extraction is sustainable. Also, the Yukon has some thriving native bands who have a history of managing resource extraction with preservation.

If Ottawa wants to make a large withdrawal on its Yukon savings account, expect resistance.

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Patlal said:

If the mines closed, How many of the 30000 people up there would be out of a job?

As for resistance, the Feds would create lik 3 huge national parks where the ressources aren't in order to tap the resources. That's been the way to do it foerever.

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All but 2000 of those people live in Whitehorse. The rest of the Yukon features a much more sustainable lifestyle. Folks may lose their cars, but houses are wood heat and everyone knows how to hunt.

Don't think I'm saying Yukoners are against mining, they aren't. It's a way of life up there. But it's also their home, and the idea of letting a foreign government (Ottawa) pull a smash and grab will never be palatable.




These traditional territories are still actively occupied.

Crazy_Horse said:

That bastard Trump.

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Fake news. Can you provide a source that he was born to an unwed mother?

However, he is an idiot that believes the melting sea ice is a hoax.

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It requires a lot of energy to change the state of ice to water. That change, with no rise in temperature between the point at which water is solid, and then water is liquid, uses 80 times more energy than it does to raise the temperature of water between, say, two degrees and three degrees, or three degrees and four. Thus, currently, melting ice provides huge attenuation to the warming we experience. To melt, ice literally sucks heat out of the sea and thence the atmosphere and the land; delaying the worst effects of our actions. This is high school physics -- clearly way beyond the level of C.Booker, J. Delingpole and Co. Check it up. [Link provided to basic physics site].

As a consequence, as the ice disappears, the massive amount of energy currently being used to melt ice becomes suddenly available to warm the ocean and the atmosphere -- warming which will then be at a rate 80 times faster than we're experiencing today. So the rate of melt accelerates the less ice remains. That's why extrapolating sea level rise from the current rate of melt is likely to produce a false sense of security.

This is why scientists are so concerned. They understand this. Polar ice is the shock absorber on the suspension; the buffers on the carriages; the pendulum on the clock. And it's also the canary in the coal mine.

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