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Preserving Liberty Caps
    #23785789 - 10/30/16 03:00 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Probably a dumb question, but I'm going to ask it anyway.

Drying out caps is a way of keeping them for longer, but obviously the potency goes down. Is there any other way of preserving libs to keep their fresh, or almost fresh potency?

Also does it make a difference if you freeze your cracker dry libs or not?


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Re: Preserving Liberty Caps [Re: eddiejessup]
    #23788656 - 10/31/16 01:47 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

libs are probably the best preserving :smile: a glass jar with good lid and if you wrap up the seal after closing ced lid in tape.. the stuff should last century's.


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Re: Preserving Liberty Caps [Re: fantasticfungus]
    #23788665 - 10/31/16 01:50 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

cracker dry in a tight rubber gasket sealed glass jar with some silica gel packets in there - stored in a dark , dry, cool place.  :thumbup:


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Re: Preserving Liberty Caps [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #23788671 - 10/31/16 01:53 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks guys, I have been doing exactly that anyway. I just didn't know if there was an alternative that would keep more of the psilo. When they're dry, they lose about 25-50% of their original potency? I was imagining pickling them, or putting them in a preservative haha. Sorry, just wanting more of the goods :wink:


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Re: Preserving Liberty Caps [Re: eddiejessup]
    #23788727 - 10/31/16 02:14 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Honey is great for preserving libs, If you keep them in cool and in the dark they'll be good for years.


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Re: Preserving Liberty Caps [Re: eddiejessup]
    #23788825 - 10/31/16 02:41 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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eddiejessup said:
Thanks guys, I have been doing exactly that anyway. I just didn't know if there was an alternative that would keep more of the psilo. When they're dry, they lose about 25-50% of their original potency? I was imagining pickling them, or putting them in a preservative haha. Sorry, just wanting more of the goods :wink:




They hardly degrade at all when you dry them. The amount of degradation is negligible. It's not perceptible, definitely nowhere near 25-50%. I don't know where you got that idea.


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Re: Preserving Liberty Caps [Re: healing]
    #23790345 - 11/01/16 02:35 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I got it from the dosage calculator on this site:

https://www.shroomery.org/6257/Magic-Mushroom-Dosage-Calculator

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For dried mushrooms, multiply psilocin content by: This is exactly the same as the psilocybin input box, only it changes the deterioration rate of psilocin. Unlike its more stable cousin, psilocin tends to break down pretty quickly no matter how careful you are about preserving your mushrooms. ".5" is the default, and unless you freeze-dry your mushrooms and store them with an industrial grade vacuum packager, you'll probably want to leave it where it is.




and...

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Will you be eating fresh or dried mushrooms? Well, which kind will you be eating? If you select "dried", the Calculator applies the deterioration values to the psilocybin and psilocin content of the mushroom and compensates for the change in weight due to dehydration. Mushrooms are ~90% water when fresh, which means there will be a big difference between how much dry mushroom material and how much wet mushroom material you'll have to eat to achieve the same trip level.




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Re: Preserving Liberty Caps [Re: 2lab]
    #23790350 - 11/01/16 02:38 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Honey is great for preserving libs, If you keep them in cool and in the dark they'll be good for years.




Wow, never even thought of that! :smile:

Going to give that a go for sure.


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Re: Preserving Liberty Caps [Re: eddiejessup]
    #23791071 - 11/01/16 11:33 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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eddiejessup said:
I got it from the dosage calculator on this site:

https://www.shroomery.org/6257/Magic-Mushroom-Dosage-Calculator

Quote:

For dried mushrooms, multiply psilocin content by: This is exactly the same as the psilocybin input box, only it changes the deterioration rate of psilocin. Unlike its more stable cousin, psilocin tends to break down pretty quickly no matter how careful you are about preserving your mushrooms. ".5" is the default, and unless you freeze-dry your mushrooms and store them with an industrial grade vacuum packager, you'll probably want to leave it where it is.




and...

Quote:

Will you be eating fresh or dried mushrooms? Well, which kind will you be eating? If you select "dried", the Calculator applies the deterioration values to the psilocybin and psilocin content of the mushroom and compensates for the change in weight due to dehydration. Mushrooms are ~90% water when fresh, which means there will be a big difference between how much dry mushroom material and how much wet mushroom material you'll have to eat to achieve the same trip level.




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The degradation being discussed here is the degradation of psilocin into psilocybin, which is what happens to most of the psilocin in your stomach anyway, not the degradation of actives into inactive compounds.

When you dry the mushrooms the ratio of psilocin to psilocybin changes, and the weight of the mushroom changes, but the amount of alkaloids within the material does not.


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Re: Preserving Liberty Caps [Re: healing]
    #23796738 - 11/03/16 05:34 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks, but I'm really confused not being up on this sort of thing. I thought psilocin was the compound released when psilocybin was consumed? I didn't think psilocyin degraded into psilocybin?

Is it as simple as the strength remains the same when they're dry? Sorry to sound so thick, but it's above my head all of this stuff.


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Re: Preserving Liberty Caps [Re: eddiejessup]
    #23797843 - 11/03/16 02:16 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah, the strength remains almost exactly the same wet or dry.

And you just have the two chemicals a little backwards. Psilocin in the more fragile of the two chemicals and it is converted to psilocybin in your stomach and when you dry the mushrooms.


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Re: Preserving Liberty Caps [Re: healing]
    #23799757 - 11/04/16 04:57 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

That's really good to know, so thanks, I've rated you :smile:


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Re: Preserving Liberty Caps [Re: eddiejessup]
    #23800660 - 11/04/16 01:18 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Ive never had a *noticeable* loss in potency from properly dried mushrooms.

Make sure to dry them properly in a food dehydrator. Any air tight container will do


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Re: Preserving Liberty Caps [Re: eddiejessup]
    #23801079 - 11/04/16 04:14 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I found that keeping them whole stored in a paper bag, as opposed to powdering them and storing in a jar has better results.

Maybe something to do with exposing more of the active ingredients to the atmosphere?

The bagged ones seemed to lose no potency, whereas the powder ones hardly worked years later.

Whole or freshly powdered [dried] in a bottle of vodka works well and lasts for years, if you put enough in a cap full will do the trick.

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Re: Preserving Liberty Caps [Re: Litto]
    #23802574 - 11/05/16 06:45 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks for the extra tips, I guess I just couldn't work out why you needed about double the dried shrooms that you'd eat fresh etc.


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Re: Preserving Liberty Caps [Re: healing]
    #23802801 - 11/05/16 09:21 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Yeah, the strength remains almost exactly the same wet or dry.

And you just have the two chemicals a little backwards. Psilocin in the more fragile of the two chemicals and it is converted to psilocybin in your stomach and when you dry the mushrooms.




Actually, I believe you have it backwards. Yes, psilocin is far less stable, but the conversion is actually psilocybin into psilocin. Psilocin = what makes you trip face.

Also, just my two cents, as long as your drying process is good, potency loss is miniscule and not even noticeable. Mad love and have fun with them libs. NEVER had the opportunity to try them.


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Re: Preserving Liberty Caps [Re: Cosmic VOC]
    #23802826 - 11/05/16 09:34 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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healing said:
Yeah, the strength remains almost exactly the same wet or dry.

And you just have the two chemicals a little backwards. Psilocin in the more fragile of the two chemicals and it is converted to psilocybin in your stomach and when you dry the mushrooms.




Actually, I believe you have it backwards. Yes, psilocin is far less stable, but the conversion is actually psilocybin into psilocin. Psilocin = what makes you trip face.

Also, just my two cents, as long as your drying process is good, potency loss is miniscule and not even noticeable. Mad love and have fun with them libs. NEVER had the opportunity to try them.




So you're saying that the chemical which is more stable and so less likely to degrade is actually more likely to degrade into the chemical that is less stable and so more likely to degrade?

Also, both psilocin and psilocybin are psychoactive.


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Re: Preserving Liberty Caps [Re: Cosmic VOC]
    #23803343 - 11/05/16 01:01 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Also, you're right. I was just assuming it was a simple oxidization, when in fact the process is enzymatic.


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