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Re: "The Triggering" talk at UMass causes Jabba the Hut feminist to lose it [Re: akira_akuma]
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Re: "The Triggering" talk at UMass causes Jabba the Hut feminist to lose it [Re: Shroomism]
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Shroomism said:
You're missing the point. He's saying some of these laws (like allowing grown ass men to use women's bathrooms) will make it much easier for predators to do their predatoring. Which is essentially what I was saying earlier. I got nothing against trans people using the bathroom.. but allowing MEN to go in the women's bathroom is a slippery ass slope.



and i'm not missing the point, though, because we agreed. i already said "the laws are the problem". :wink: i get your concern though. but i swear, i've said this already like thrice amount of times by now. it's the LAWS that are the problem here. it's the people that are all uppity about who's who, that are making these laws, no? :lol:

zappaisgod said:
I know that.  But you could stop the heterosexual male predators if you kept them out of the ladies' room.



i've heard tell a recommendation of a separate unisex bathroom for transgenders. :shrug:

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Re: "The Triggering" talk at UMass causes Jabba the Hut feminist to lose it [Re: PatrickKn]
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AFAIK most women's leagues that accommodate trans women check their hormone levels to ensure they are normal for a female. That tends to be a pretty rock solid indicator of somebody's sex-dependent muscle development. People don't seem to understand that antiandrogens have precisely the reverse effect as anabolic steroids (aka testosterone). That's a really dangerous bit of willful ignorance. I've had my ass beat because of it.


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Enlil said:
You really are the worst kind of person.


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Re: "The Triggering" talk at UMass causes Jabba the Hut feminist to lose it [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said:
I know that.  But you could stop the heterosexual male predators if you kept them out of the ladies' room.



But that does little to stop the homosexual male predators from doing the same.

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Re: "The Triggering" talk at UMass causes Jabba the Hut feminist to lose it [Re: Rose]
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Rose said:
In all of North America, there has been one confirmed instance of a man pretending to be trans to gain access to a women's facility with the intent to do harm.

He is now in prison indefinitely. It did not happen in America. It did not happen in a bathroom. It did not happen in a locker room. He did not target children.

It virtually never happens. Y'all're afraid of the boogeyman.

In the same stretch of time, a man was struck and killed by a meteorite... and dozens if not hundreds were killed by cows...

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/politics-government/article70255967.html



Where is your sincerity test?  Once again, this isn't about transgenders.  I already provided links to 5 incidents of men in women's rooms.  If anybody can go into any bathroom how are you going to know who is a bona fide Trans? 

My personal opinion?  Get rid of gender specific bathrooms.  It was a problem when Rebecca was little and I had to take her to a bathroom.  Get rid of them.


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Re: "The Triggering" talk at UMass causes Jabba the Hut feminist to lose it [Re: PatrickKn]
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PatrickKn said:
zappaisgod said:
I know that.  But you could stop the heterosexual male predators if you kept them out of the ladies' room.



But that does little to stop the homosexual male predators from doing the same.



Yes.  So what's your point?  That since males can prey on boys in the boys' room other males should be allowed to prey on girls in the girls' room.


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Re: "The Triggering" talk at UMass causes Jabba the Hut feminist to lose it [Re: zappaisgod]
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zappaisgod said:
PatrickKn said:
zappaisgod said:
I know that.  But you could stop the heterosexual male predators if you kept them out of the ladies' room.



But that does little to stop the homosexual male predators from doing the same.



Yes.  So what's your point?  That since males can prey on boys in the boys' room other males should be allowed to prey on girls in the girls' room.



It was a tongue in cheek joke more than anything. I don't think there is much need for laws on bathrooms.

Dudes walking into a female bathroom and harassing others sexually is illegal in and of itself for the most part.

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Re: "The Triggering" talk at UMass causes Jabba the Hut feminist to lose it [Re: Sophistic Radiance]
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Sophistic Radiance said:
AFAIK most women's leagues that accommodate trans women check their hormone levels to ensure they are normal for a female. That tends to be a pretty rock solid indicator of somebody's sex-dependent muscle development. People don't seem to understand that antiandrogens have precisely the reverse effect as anabolic steroids (aka testosterone). That's a really dangerous bit of willful ignorance. I've had my ass beat because of it.



So you don't have to have the operation as long as you take steroids?  So your criteria is what you do but not what the Rene Richards have to do?  Do you have to take a steroid test to use the ladies' room? 

Y'all are not thinking this through.


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Re: "The Triggering" talk at UMass causes Jabba the Hut feminist to lose it [Re: PatrickKn]
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PatrickKn said:
zappaisgod said:
PatrickKn said:
zappaisgod said:
I know that.  But you could stop the heterosexual male predators if you kept them out of the ladies' room.



But that does little to stop the homosexual male predators from doing the same.



Yes.  So what's your point?  That since males can prey on boys in the boys' room other males should be allowed to prey on girls in the girls' room.



It was a tongue in cheek joke more than anything. I don't think there is much need for laws on bathrooms.

Dudes walking into a female bathroom and harassing others sexually is illegal in and of itself for the most part.



What about just creeping out all the women already in there? 

This is not being well thought through.


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Re: "The Triggering" talk at UMass causes Jabba the Hut feminist to lose it [Re: akira_akuma]
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Y'all are not thinking this through.



hey!

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i've heard tell a recommendation of a separate unisex bathroom for transgenders. :shrug:



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Re: "The Triggering" talk at UMass causes Jabba the Hut feminist to lose it [Re: zappaisgod] * 2
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I was addressing your point about sports...

But it comes back to how this law is unenforceable without violating the right to privacy. It will not keep determined male predators out of any women's room and it will do nothing to prevent sexual assault


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Enlil said:
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Re: "The Triggering" talk at UMass causes Jabba the Hut feminist to lose it [Re: zappaisgod] * 3
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zappaisgod said:
Rose said:
In all of North America, there has been one confirmed instance of a man pretending to be trans to gain access to a women's facility with the intent to do harm.

He is now in prison indefinitely. It did not happen in America. It did not happen in a bathroom. It did not happen in a locker room. He did not target children.

It virtually never happens. Y'all're afraid of the boogeyman.

In the same stretch of time, a man was struck and killed by a meteorite... and dozens if not hundreds were killed by cows...

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/news/politics-government/article70255967.html



Where is your sincerity test?  Once again, this isn't about transgenders.  I already provided links to 5 incidents of men in women's rooms.  If anybody can go into any bathroom how are you going to know who is a bona fide Trans? 

My personal opinion?  Get rid of gender specific bathrooms.  It was a problem when Rebecca was little and I had to take her to a bathroom.  Get rid of them.



We agree on this and you know it.

Anyhoo, what was your athlete issue? That may be better for another thread but wherever.

Let me just say, post op trans people have been allowed to compete in the Olympics since 2012.

Zero have qualified.

Let's just talk Summer Olympics and ignore the Winter games because the numbers are nice and round this way.

In 2012, just over 10,000 individuals competed. So if the estimates of .3% of the population is trans are correct, there was not a fair representation of trans athletes. If all things were fair, around 30 would have qualified.

So, while people are shouting and screaming about unfair advantages, so far, on that large scale, no advantage emerged in 2012 or 2014.

So the rules were adjusted for pre-op trans folk to attempt to qualify and compete as long as their hormones are within range for the 2016 and 2018 cycle. We will have to wait and see if anyone qualifies or if they qualify in numbers that would suggest any kind of advantage. The data is still out.

The cool thing about sports is they come with statistics and rules that are occasionally adjusted.

I am sure if trans people have an unfair advantage that emerges and becomes self-evident, the rules will adjust again to try to keep things fair. Either that or teams will just really favor trans athletes because they like winning.

But quell your bitching until we get some clinical data. Sports are great for creating statistics. So far the statistics have not favored us. I agree, it sure seems at first glance that we should have strength and size advantages but as Sophie said, strength moves to female norms in trans women very rapidly. We are within female muscular norms typically within a year or two of transitioning. As for size, the younger you transition, the more hormones influence the growth of your frame. So if someone transitioned as early as possible, they would have no muscular or skeletal advantage and if they transition later, they would be transitioning and therefore unqualifiable during their athletic prime.

Y'all really should worry about trans men. They are literally taking prescription steroids. What do you think testosterone is?!? But once again, trans women get the spotlight... yay...

One successful trans athlete is nothing. I am talking more than one in three hundred winning athletes will need to be trans before you really have much of a case, and we have a LONG way to go before we get there. But hell, any time a trans player or athlete does even better than average, you'd think we'd sent The Incredible Hulk to battle a bunch of third graders.


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Re: "The Triggering" talk at UMass causes Jabba the Hut feminist to lose it [Re: Rose]
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Quote:
I know that.  But you could stop the heterosexual male predators if you kept them out of the ladies' room.



the laws that were laid out poorly, were by reactionary christians!

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Re: "The Triggering" talk at UMass causes Jabba the Hut feminist to lose it [Re: Rose] * 2
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Rose said:
But hell, any time a trans player or athlete does even better than average, you'd think we'd sent The Incredible Hulk to battle a bunch of third graders.



:rofl:

I'm sorry, I saw a mental image and it was fucking hilarious


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Re: "The Triggering" talk at UMass causes Jabba the Hut feminist to lose it [Re: Shroomism] * 3
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I'll be glad when this transsexual fad passes over. I don't even want to hear about this stupid shit anymore.

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Re: "The Triggering" talk at UMass causes Jabba the Hut feminist to lose it [Re: John Nada]
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should blow over when the plebs get up and arms about some other trivial shit.

Don't worry about anything important in life you terd burglars


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Re: "The Triggering" talk at UMass causes Jabba the Hut feminist to lose it [Re: Rose]
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Those Russian "women" are the ones we need to be worried about.


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Re: "The Triggering" talk at UMass causes Jabba the Hut feminist to lose it [Re: Sun King]
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Christians should perish. they believe in everlasting woo, soul ascension into heaven, and various other whacky, primitive, and trivial shit.

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Re: "The Triggering" talk at UMass causes Jabba the Hut feminist to lose it [Re: danielx]
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danielx said:
should blow over when the plebs get up and arms about some other trivial shit.

Don't worry about anything important in life you terd burglars



http://thefreethoughtproject.com/missed-media-distracted-bathrooms-justin-biebers-hair/


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Re: "The Triggering" talk at UMass causes Jabba the Hut feminist to lose it [Re: Shroomism]
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why can't the SJW's do some actual social justice for once and throw Bieber in a wheat hopper.

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